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Re: Nintendo and Sega discussing the future of Shenmue ?

Wow, guys... Just seen this exciting news on the reddit....
please be true. I'll buy a console for this...

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/12k09o/nintendo_discussing_the_future_of_shenmue_with/

http://i.imgur.com/xllaI.jpg

Do you think there's a chance? :heart:
First of all, the image up there is not taken from any magazine, I'm afraid. Obviously, the Japanese there could not be written by any native speaker of Japanese, or rather, could be written by a machine translator, most likely. Still, it's possible to have been reproduced by someone who was trying kindly to convey the "news" to the fans worldwide.

So, I went out to check the magazine to find out if it really is the reproduction of an article from Brutus. But, unfortunately, I wasn't able to find any article on Shenmue, nor Nintendo, in the current issue of Brutus which was released on Nov. 1st. It could be from a backnumber, but, oh well... :dunno:
by Kiyuu
Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:23 am
 
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Re: XBox mag: Why Shenmue III is a bad idea

It always frustrates me when people say Shenmue III shouldn't be made in case it doesn't live up to the originals. I mean, Christ. Are these same people afraid to cross the road? We'd never get anything done if we just played it safe to preserve the unchallenged and unproven image of how it "could" have gone in our minds. Shenmue itself would never have been made, for a start. Yu Suzuki would be talking about this epic open world adventure that "would" have captured the imaginations of gamers around the world, and we'd be saying, "Yeah, sure. Suppose you're going to tell us it would have been better than Crash Bandicoot 17? (Hope they don't make a Crash 18... Leave the memories alone!)"
by Let's Get Sweaty
Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:50 am
 
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Re: Nintendo and Sega discussing the future of Shenmue ?

the reddit user "mattew9" was asked what issue this was in and he replied today that it was issue no.741, dated 15/10/12.

Kiyuu looked at a Nov 1st issue, I wonder if that was issue 742, and this is a bi-monthly mag?
Yes, BRUTUS comes out bi-monthly, and it's not really a fashion magazine, though they publish "fashion issue" twice a year. Actually, the one I've checked out was #743 dated Nov. 15, though it hit the shelves on Nov. 1st.

Now, I went back to the book store where they carry some backnumbers as well, and checked out #741 page by page. (It's dated Oct. 15, but actually hit the shelves on Oct. 1st.) The only game name I found in it was "Biohazard 6" in its full-page ad. No Nintendo, no Shenmue, once again...

Or, mattew9/masterG is prolonging this prank even after he's theoretically been busted....there's no way that scan, as Kiyuu pointed out, is completely legitimate, unless it was just an online translation slapped over the real print (which makes no sense).
That's right. It makes no sense at all. If there really is an article in Japanese, how come they bother to translate it into English first and translate it back into Japanese by machine? Did they think no one would notice that is not the original article? :???:
by Kiyuu
Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:32 pm
 
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Re: Random Thoughts! v2.0


I lied about still being employed out of shame and guilt for having such a crappy life, just that.

I don't know if I was calling for help as in a 'raise me the funds to prevent it from happening' sort of thing.
Mostly I needed to talk with somebody.
I would not need 500 euros. 300 would be enough to get me a shaddy bedroom and hot water for a month plus enough food to survive. I don't know how we could do such a thing, nor will I beg/demand/ask whatever from you guys.
I praise your friendship and/or companionship as is.

Your out on the streets? Where are you currently sleeping?

I think we should do everything we can help darky :sad:


Found a place that lets me have unlimited internet time for 2 euros. Will try to log in more often. Yesterday I paid 2 euros for a hour.

Your thoughts alone are cherised behind this stange looking glass I'm reaching you from.
by ThyDarkAngel
Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:02 am
 
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Re: Random Thoughts! v2.0

alive, finally got heat and internet back.
by Segata Sanshiro Jr.
Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:04 pm
 
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Re: Random Thoughts! v2.0

It was hurricane sandy. Pretty much wiped out parts of New Jersey, Staten and Long Islands, Far Rockaway, a piece of downtown Manhattan (where I live) and started some hardcore fires that took out whole neighborhoods in Queens.

My building is solid so I was ok (though a powerplant nearby had a bunch of conduits that exploded) we lost all out utilities and most of the food in the area was either contaminated or waterlogged (they're still clearing out markets)

it got so bad i had to leave the city for a few days. Everything is up and running but I (and most other people here) can't vote because we're about to be hit with another (much much smaller) storm, the need for food has people hitting up every market that got a shipment today, and the fact that most of the polling sites are closed means theres confusion among districts, misinformation and just too many people at each site.

Still it could be a lot worse, I made a run to Staten Island with some military rations and water to give out and theres parts that got totaled. House burnt down, then swept away by water, then looted, its like escape from New York.

As for work, couldn't get much done to be honest, I'm now finally able to verify my builds and have my vita running TiBC again. Its on track for this summer with an announcement in about march and a playable demo in the spring.

I also started building long terms solutions for development, so once TiBC ep 1 is finished, free DLC and more episodes will come out faster and have more shit in em. (plus it'll make development of other games WAYYYY easier)
by Segata Sanshiro Jr.
Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:26 pm
 
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Re: Things That Made You Genuinely Happy Today!

I think the thing I'm most glad about this election is that 6 billion dollars later, the chips landed right where they started with. The billionaires with large financial stakes in filling the war cabinets of their favored politicians basically got no return for their efforts. Anything that discourages the elite few to blow a gigantic bank on super pacs in an attempt to have disproportionate influence over politics than everyone else is a good thing in my opinion. If only we could do away with the lobbyists and special interest groups.
by Sonikku
Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:53 pm
 
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Re: Rare Shenmue II DC video?

This makes me the saddest :( The fact that, even if Shenmue was re-booted, it will never get promoted like it did in Japan back in the day. I wonder if all the marketing and promotional costs were included in the $43 million figure.
When Shenmue was under development, it was advertized as a "seven-billion-yen project," and Yu-san translated the amount as "70 million dollars" in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmXVco0Bkyk
Though I'll never know the exact breakdown, I assume the considerable amount of money was poured into the promotion of the first game. It was really a series of extravagance; having "the Shenmue Premiere" at several locations with free promotional goodies for every attendees, giving away "What's Shenmue VHS," "What's Shenmue demo disc" for SEGA game buyers, lots of TV advertisements, etc. They spent much less for Shenmue II, though.

Kiyuu, did you attend many of these promotional events? Do you think that Shenmue could ever become popular in Japan again? Because despite all of these special events, sales still were not impressive enough :-k
I'm not really a gamer, and didn't play Shenmue until a year later from the release. Soon after I got this unexpected Shenmue fever, Shenmue II was announced. That's when I started watching over Shenmue. I attended "Game Jam" and "AM2 Summer Festival," where Shenmue II was promoted by Yu-san and Shenmue casts themselves. (I also went to "Game Jam II" next year to see Yu-san again.)

Well, it's true there still are some die-hard Shenmue fans in Japan waiting for the sequel, but it couldn't be sure if Shenmue become popular again, if it once was, in Japan. That's why SEGA's management has been reluctant to give a green light, I'm afriad. However, I really don't mind if Shenmue III wouldn't be a smash hit, as long as I can see the ending of the saga. All we need is a miracle here?
by Kiyuu
Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:51 pm
 
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Re: What Nationality Are You?

Wolverhampton says... fair enough.
by beedle
Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:14 pm
 
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Re: Rare Shenmue II DC video?

That's when I started watching over Shenmue.

I love this mental image of Kiyuu being the guardian watching down for on high over the entire Shenmue franchise. Especially as I already considered Kiyuu a Dark Knight-esque character wacthing down over the dojo.


How about we change her title from "Veteran Contributor" to "Shenmue Guardian"? ;-)
by Ziming
Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:24 pm
 
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Re: Rare Shenmue II DC video?

I'm thankful she never left. Quietly makes this place hum with great info.
by Bluecast
Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:28 pm
 
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Re: Assassins Creed Series

I wouldn't mind if they started over and the new present day assassin started as Altair's grandson or great grandson in Alexandria, with a second scenario in Egypt.

From there take the series to China. not Sanguo but 1900s China during the time of Europeon imperialism.

It should also be noted that Assassin's creed hits pretty similar timelines to Black Adder. I'd be wrong if they don't just go the distance and make a game set in World War 1.

:rotflmao:
by Segata Sanshiro Jr.
Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:39 am
 
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Re: What "makes" Shenmue for you?

Shenmue is a very personal game for me. Around the time the game came out, and I first started playing it, I was being bullied very badly at school, and home life really wasn't happy families, but Shenmue was always something that I could go back to to look after me and give me the warmth and comfort that I was otherwise not receiving from anywhere else. That, and even now, thirteen years later, Shenmue is able to do things that games haven't even come close to nowadays.

I'm not proud of very many things in my life, but I am proud to say that Shenmue changed my life and damn well made me who I am today.

xx
by ShenGCH
Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:54 pm
 
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Re: Shenmue Collections

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This was posted on the shenmue 500k fan page. I just gotta say... where the hell can i get one?!!?!?
by Yokosuka Martian
Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:09 pm
 
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Re: **VOTE FOR RYO TO (possibly) APPEAR IN SASASRT**

Vectorman's character rights are probably buried deeper than those E.T Atari cartridges..
by Crimson Ryan
Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:24 pm
 
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Re: What "makes" Shenmue for you?

Shenmue is special to me for all the reasons everyone has said. For me, it's the incredible music, moving story, interesting characters, and the magic realism (my favorite genre). Something I think not a lot of people mention or appreciate about Shenmue is that it was pretty much the first game (and I can't think of another since) that atmospherically created an ordinary, even mundane world, that felt realistic. And yet, there are little hints of magic that start to develop and a great ancient secret or mystery buried in that, that slowly emerges as the series progresses. So you've got this great and unique mid-80s setting, so it feels modern, like home for many of us, but there's no internet, nothing to make the world seem small and less mysterious. On top of that, there were pretty much no games with changing seasons when Shenmue was released. That was wicked special at the time. So, it perfectly captures that wonderful feeling better than any game I have ever played. Also, it's Sega, so it just makes Christmas better.

I will never forget the 9/9/99 EGM magazine with the very first Shenmue preview. I still have it, and I'm still wildly impressed by the graphics, the style, the whole vision as described and shown in the screenshots. There is really nothing else like it. Almost every game then and today is overtly fantasy, or military games, or some combination.

Plus, the Dojo. Shenmue has a ridiculously close community, all of whom have similar taste in games, music, movies, etc., so that's definitely a huge part of what keeps it fresh because we've all been friends for so long, some since the beginning. Shenmue was always community oriented. Certainly, had Shenmue and the DC been a financial success, the series would have gone in the direction of community interaction as the successor to the original Passport, another interesting bonus that made the first game very special. Every part of it felt like you were discovering something profound by entering into a true virtual world.

I don't know, I think everything about Shenmue was just like destiny. It came at the right time in our lives and in Sega's history. A big part of it is that it was the crowning achievement of the Dreamcast, and that system was so much fun, and it was just such a great time for gaming all around. I mean, it wasn't too long after the first 3d cards, everyone was excited about the nextgen consoles and the amazing new graphics we were going to get, speculating on where it would lead, and so on. It was a very interesting time, and Shenmue represented this huge new vision that everyone wanted to be a part of, and if you were one of the few people with a DC, it was like you had been given a key to another world. That's what it was. It was like we discovered a world together.

If I could go back and live those years over again, I would.
by KiBa
Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:05 am
 
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Re: What "makes" Shenmue for you?

I always found the stiffness of ryo something that made the game more immersive and closer to reality

Edit: HAH now everyone knows you edited your post :P
by south carmain
Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:45 pm
 
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Re: Vote for Ryo in Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing Transforme

Quiet in here today!

Here are the current tallies:

Segata Senshiro - 1896
Hatsune Miku - 1633
Ryo Hazuki - 796
Vectorman - 716
Ristar - 622
Bayonetta - 576
ToeJam & Earl - 437
Billy Hatcher - 352
Blaze Fielding - 278
Axel Stone - 271
Phantom R - 268
Alis Landale - 239
Arle Nadja - 213
Sakura Shinguji - 203
Selvaria Bles - 202
Ash - 196
Opa Opa - 188
Welkin Gunther - 171
The ChuChus - 141
Space Harrier - 141
Bonanza Bros - 140
Kazuma Kiryu - 138
Sketch Turner - 129
Amitie - 109
Rag Rappy - 65
Jacky Bryant - 54

The top two seem uncatchable, but Ryo needs to keep his pedal to the metal if we don't want Vectorman nipping at his heels again. As they always say, the best defense is a strong offense, so we need to keep pushing forward right up until December 1st.

For anyone who missed it before the Sanshiro/Chuck Norris talk, I made a video that you might like to share when promoting the petition. Maybe it's not deemed worthy, I don't know, but here's the link if you want it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj-3jUf3PLc
by Let's Get Sweaty
Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:13 pm
 
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Salute

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Stay thirsty my friends...
by Jeff
Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:10 pm
 
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Re: Vote for Ryo in Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing Transforme

I can't speak for everyone, but its been a real fuckin long time, and many of us have been around the whole time. I don't think its people turning their nose up at something that wasen't started on the Dojo (we all got on top of this and it didn't start on the Dojo) its more that the constant campaigning doesn't seem like its making an impact to most of us.
I completely understand that. Time and disappointment breed apathy and cynicism. If anyone's got a right to succumb to those effects, it's Shenmue fans.

On the other hand, the Tweetathon was designed to be as easy as possible. Once a month, on the same day, post one tweet with the same hashtag. That's the bare minimum, and you're done for another month. The aim is for your tweet to inspire someone else, who might post their own which then gets retweeted. As the months go by, the snowball effect takes hold. We're seeing it happen, and while it's yet another Shenmue campaign, it has a whole new psychology behind it. One that ultimately may not even succeed, but in the meantime it's keeping the name active in people's minds until one of those people comes up with something better.

There's no good reason not to support this, but I take on board what you're saying - some people's hesitance certainly isn't about whether it was originally a Dojo project or not. My post above was about those for whom I still believe it might be. I just hope they're a minority who get over it soon.

EDIT:

Just had a look on Sega's forum, and there may be sticky times ahead for this petition.

Sumo's now saying that if more than three characters qualify past the 1000 mark, it won't necessarily be the top three who get presented to Sega. Other factors will be considered, with preference possibly given to those who have not already featured in the All-Stars Racing series. *GULP*

If it gets to that stage, fans will be invited to debate the matter on Sega's forum, putting forth arguments for why their favorite character should be chosen. My fear is that no amount of arguing will outweigh the fact that Ryo's already had a turn and, say, Vectorman hasn't.

So what we have to hope for, first and foremost, is that the "1000+ Club" remains pretty exclusive. Miku might be ruled out (to quote S0L: "If a character can't be done for licensing, legal or other reasons, we will have runners up as alternatives"), so that gives us a little breathing room perhaps, and I don't even know if they'd be allowed to use Segata Senshiro's likeness (it's a real-life actor, after all), so the chances are reasonable that it won't come down to a debate and preferential treatment. But lets all start sticking pins in Vectorman dolls to be on the safe side.
by Let's Get Sweaty
Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:55 pm
 
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Re: Vote for Ryo in Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing Transforme

HOLY FUCK! 1600?! First time in a long time the community even some of the vets who are more known for being distant in these things contributed. Awesome.

Don't be so surprised. There's a world of Shenmue fandom outside the Dojo's walls. One thing I hope people take from this experience is that different groups should be working together a lot more often, instead of the insular, almost tribal attitude that some people seem to have.

Earlier in this thread, when Ryo was struggling to pick up steam, someone asked "where are those Twitter guys now?" - referring to fans who participate in the monthly Tweetathons. But the question could just as easily be asked every 3rd of the month - where are those Dojo guys now? While some members of this site embrace it as a proactive movement towards Shenmue III, others seem to look down their nose because it didn't originate at the Dojo. But we are all one fanbase, we shouldn't be thinking in terms of us and them within what is already a niche community. I post wherever I can - here, Shenmue 500K, Shenmue UK, and of course Team Yu. If I had more than even a cursory recollection of my French lessons at school, I'd be joining the conversations at Shenmue Master as well. Integration and co-operation makes us all stronger, as this All-Stars Racing petition has proven. No single website or group could have done it alone, and I hope that resonates going forward.
by Let's Get Sweaty
Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:27 pm
 
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Re: Vote for Ryo in Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing Transforme

I completely understand that. Time and disappointment breed apathy and cynicism. If anyone's got a right to succumb to those effects, it's Shenmue fans.

I'm historically one of them. However as of late been much more involved and finally updating my collection a little. Also might be a big part is that my life has been hell for a few years and the storm has settled and happy and more clear headed. So got more into Shenmue again.
by Bluecast
Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:23 pm
 
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Re: Vote for Ryo in Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing Transforme

too bad no one else really has a chance. It'd be cool to see Alys or Welkin

I've also never really known Fujioka to turn stuff down, i mean he was even in a Pokeon movie.
by Segata Sanshiro Jr.
Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:17 pm
 
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Re: Vote for Ryo in Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing Transforme

Organic coffee beans
... and deep
aftertaste and clean taste with no rough
kick ass taste ... the first time! Come taste the ice , even, deeply delicious ... Hiroshi Fujioka, produce and put the feelings in the body gently darned tasty coffee courage and love fills you! "Fujioka, coffee"
http://i.imgur.com/gB1N3.jpg

We can get him.
by Bluecast
Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:24 pm
 
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Re: Vote for Ryo in Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing Transforme

I don't drink coffee, but if I did, that'd be the one.
by Segata Sanshiro Jr.
Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:26 pm
 
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Re: Something from Shenmue you want for real?

Haha, agree about caligraphy. For them it's more than an art. Years and years of practice.
by Fenix
Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:22 pm
 
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Re: Something from Shenmue you want for real?

The community. Every knows you and you know them. All so nice and helpful. Not the random NPC but the community people. That would be a great place to live. I'm the most socially inept person you may meet unless it's one of those great communities and then I interact like there is no tomorrow.
by Bluecast
Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:27 pm
 
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Re: Never Forget About Shenmue

Very good. I think some QTE's were better than others, but one of the best parts of the game was that amazing QTE escape in Kowloon with Ren. That is still probably the most cinematic experience in any game I've ever played.

Yeah, and don't forget the final strike to Dou Niu.
Oh my god, I jumped from the chair watching it at first time saying "GAIMOOOOOOONNNNNNNNN CHOCHUUUUU!!!!!" :rotflmao:

I was only 16 :lol:

I still remember it as the most epic strike in my videogame history.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MB0ANeCXKIU/TtzoqQD-DVI/AAAAAAAACOg/gBpI3fnnRbk/s1600/Counter%2Belbow%2Bassault.jpg
by Fenix
Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:40 am
 
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Re: Skies of Arcadia HD news (GAF topic)

Good news in the sense this pretty much leaves all but Shenmue. Plus Skies is a great game. Nice to see an epic RPG getting a re-release in this fashion.

I used to joke that Sega would end up porting Toe Jam and Earl before Shenmue, but that's actually happening now. So really, what's left? :???:

Also, Ziming/Peter...if you have non-public info that you aren't sharing (sounds pessimistic anyway), the least you can do is not make vague, public references to it. Shame [-X [-(
by Lan Di-sama
Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:42 pm
 
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Today has finally arrived.

I have been talking about it, and planning it for a year, but today i leave Belfast and travel to Australia. To say i am nervous would be an understatement, but i will just keep powering through and try to enjoy the ride. I will be logging on as much as i can and keeping you updated, and i wont forget about here. :)
by Peter
Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:14 am
 
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Re: Today has finally arrived.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Aq9FxFZMms[/youtube]
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by Bluecast
Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:29 am
 
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Re: Today has finally arrived.

Get your picture taken under the Ramsay Street sign and bring me Doctor Karl's autograph.
by Let's Get Sweaty
Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:04 am
 
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Re: Never Forget About Shenmue

This sentence:

It’s 10pm, and Ryo is walking home, crunching through the freshly laid snow after taking the bus back to town from work.

Is mindblowing.

It seems so 'un-gameish' and yet it is those exact moments why we love Shenmue. The simple essence of walking home in a videogame (from work no less!!!) is mindblowing. Every Night, As we pass by the neon lit arcade, the sushi bar on the left and the wintery park on the right - Those numbing walks home are what bind us to the fiction and immerse us even further.

magical memories. that we all share
by Luvly KM
Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:40 am
 
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Re: Skies of Arcadia HD news (GAF topic)

Gah, I remember logging on that day in '05....was totally out of the blue and I was quite literally doing flips and somersaults around the house.

I still think Doree wasn't bullshitting us, and that - as he said - the situation changed after that article was published. He really was a big Shenmue advocate and I don't think he'd fabricate that story. I think his eagerness and excitement as a Shenmue fan clouded his judgment. It's a damn shame. That was 7 years ago! Crazy. I never would have thought it would have taken this long to play more Shenmue.

Shenmue is valuable IP. Even if it doesn't make money, there is value there. I just hope Sega finds a way to set up a realistic budget. Problem is, even if it is announced, officially....there's a huge wait from that point, and lots of time for things to take a disastrous turn. I don't even play video games at all anymore, and I'm not even too sad about it anymore (wistful and nostalgic, yes), but I do think if the day ever comes that I hold a copy of a new Shenmue game in my hand that'd it be one of the more surrealistic and memorable moments in my life.

"I feel like I've known that tree, from a long time ago.....it's a strange feeling."
by Lan Di-sama
Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:25 pm
 
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Re: Unpopular Opinions

I used to be a free market kind of guy. I also had no problems with big-box stores. I've watched this system destroy downtowns and local wealth. Now I consider myself an economic protectionist. We have to keep the money in the communities, because they are the ones that are your neighbors, hire with good jobs, and reinvest in the community. I'm a member of the Chamber of Commerce and I see this right on the front lines. I only go into big box stores now if there is something I cannot get from small business. I prefer to get lunch at a local deli where the quality is better and I know where the food comes from rather than fast food or chain stores. You also build relationships with the people who work there and there is also accountability and pride with what they sell or the service they provide.
by Jeff
Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:51 pm
 
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Re: Random Thoughts! v2.0

There's this Indian family on the first flood of my apartment complex. I swear to god they make and eat curry three meals a day, seven days a week. The hallways now reaks of curry all the time. It hasn't smelled right since they came. There are 4 of them living in a small one bedroom apartment. You'd think that if they moved to the USA, and not only that, but in Metro NY, you would want to partake in the foods of this country. We have restaurants with high quality food of every nationality, everything on the planet in your backyard. Most parts of the world they can't even imagine this. Even when I lived in Vermont there wasn't the diversity there is here. Nothing against immigration, but dammit if you want to be an American, assimilate. My great grandparents on both sides did and that's what made a community.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M
by Ziming
Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:06 pm
 
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Re: The Shenmue Dojo - 10th Anniversary Video & Members Gall

All ready to go out for Oz! ( trying on my clothes, but plenty of photos of me in the "day before" photos. With backpack, and Ryo jacket on me!) :lol:

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by Peter
Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:11 pm
 
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Re: The Shenmue Dojo - 10th Anniversary Video & Members Gall

Hostess, I already miss you so...

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by Jeff
Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:12 pm
 
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Re: Unpopular Opinions

Never once said that it was good for black people. A positive coming out of something bad doesn't mean it's implied as good. For example...

A young, wealthy 30 year-old dies a horrible death. Leaves all his money in his will to his uncle, who's about to have his house repossessed. Something good comes out of something awful.

Or historically...

Romans invade Britain, kick our arses up n down the country killin n rapin anythin along the way. We ended up benefiting from their advancements in technology.

Or religiously...

Jesus gets tortured and killed. All sins are forgiven.

Allot more negative things came from slavery than positive.

The event itself is beyond reconciliation, but the results of it help build a better world, believe it or not. If I remember right, that's the whole thing behind the climax of the Watchmen (not that I'm comparing real life to comic books/films... although I did previously mention a religious thing, but still...)

Yes the results help build a better world... that Africans don't even benefit from. SMFH.

No, slavery may not have been 'needed', hell it was never even suggested, but the alternatives could've been far worse. History tends to tell us one thing... Nations like to attack other nations before deciding whether or not "they're cool." Besides that, the idea of slavery was actually kinda stolen from Africa in the first place. And whilst I don't agree with any of the shit (or a lot of what followed), the situation now has spun out of that. Hell, even Blues began due to the slave trade. So whilst it was awful, disgusting, inhumane, etc., can you honestly say that the world would've been a better place if it had never existed?

Actually it was being suggested from what I was reading. And I have no idea where the hell you are getting you historic "facts" from. In Africa, there really were not slaves. Mostly servants, but not the same brutal form of slavery in the US. And fuck yes I can say the world would been allot better without slavery. Black would have been able to contribute to world even more than what we have/do. Music and entertainment is nice, but contribution in science is allot more important.

And you cannot blame the current state of Africa on the slave trade. Certain, and often major parts of Africa's history on a whole remains to this day rather sketchy, because - as Gil Scott-Heron so eloquently and sarcastically stated - "nothin was written down on paper."

Actually, allot was recorded. Paper and writing did come from Africa after all, (even though it will never be accredited). Most of records where destroyed by invaders. But I will give you that slavery itself was not the single thing that did Africa in. Civil wars and drought played a big role too. I can go on, but I see it's kind of pointless. I don't think anybody is a racist or anything, but just completely wrong .
by Brothaman
Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:23 pm
 
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Re: Shenmue retrospective

It's interesting that Martin Robinson decided to write a retrospective now, of all times... Lovely write-up.

My piece on Shenmue II will be finished in the week. This series needs to reclaim its voice.
by IAmNotABot
Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:01 am
 
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Re: Unpopular Opinions

that is a terrible example, north korea is a fucking shitheap with a terrible army. the south would walk all over them

also; [email protected] healthcare argument
by beedle
Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:26 pm
 
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Re: Shenmue retrospective

I preferred the other recent article, IAmNotABot's, where the passion flowed off the page. This one's a little more restrained, written in a self-conscious style of forced analysis that barely reflects his motivation for such a pilgrimage. If you want to convert a non-believer, show them the other one first.
by Let's Get Sweaty
Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:13 am
 
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Re: Vote for Ryo in Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing Transforme

So what is the Dojo doing, actively, to engage the userbase it has gathered over the past ten years or so into voting for Ryo and spreading the word to their friends?

I see one tweet on the Dojo's Twitter account, back on the 19th. Of those 814 followers, I'd venture to say that this one tweet would easily have been missed by enough would-be voters to catch up with Miku now. Would it hurt to post another? Nobody's going to unfollow after reading the same thing twice, over a week apart.

Putting the news on the front page is good, but for those who don't visit on a regular basis, how about an email sent out to all 6200+ forum members? Isn't this the type of occasion that such a function was built for? Again, no Shenmue fan's going to abandon the Dojo for daring to darken their inbox with an urgent call to action.

If Ryo finishes second then he'll still be included on the list presented to Sega (probably). But if his fanbase proves more powerful than even the fearsome cult of Miku, that surely becomes a much bigger bargaining chip for Shenmue III. As long as there's more we can do to achieve unqualified success, is there any reason at all not to be doing it? If not now, then when?
by Let's Get Sweaty
Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:11 pm
 
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Re: The Shenmue Dojo - 10th Anniversary Video & Members Gall

Hey Miles! Long time no see. I never had the chance to tell you, but I always found your coming out to admit you were gay on the dojo as being a part of the inspiration that lead to me coming forward on being transgendered. If anything, I wish I had had your courage much sooner. :puppydogeyes: Stick around for a while before you head out again. :)
by Sonikku
Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:47 pm
 
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Re: Unpopular Opinions

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by KiBa
Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:51 am
 
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