Final Fantasy

[AnimeGamer183]

Looks cool, I hope v.2 can make it good again. Also I swore I saw the magitek armor in that video from FF6 that Terra used with biggs and wedge in the beginning.

[Axm]

Cool video.
I'll definitely be playing XIV when it comes out again.

[Yukupo]

Yep, it was magitek armor. It's possible that it will be a mount in 2.0.

[AnimeGamer183]

Yep, it was magitek armor. It's possible that it will be a mount in 2.0.

How the fuck does that work? Does it take place on the same planet at FF6? Are they trying to pull the nostalgia strings and just throw it in there? Or is there a legitimate connection between the 2 games?

[Bluecast]

Yep, it was magitek armor. It's possible that it will be a mount in 2.0.

FOrgive me I am a huge nerd but I could not help but chuckle at this sentence. As every single word is pure nerdom. Not a single thing would make sense outside us nerds and reminded me of this
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYO1j2Vhztc[/youtube]

[Yukupo]

^

Yep, it was magitek armor. It's possible that it will be a mount in 2.0.

How the fuck does that work? Does it take place on the same planet at FF6? Are they trying to pull the nostalgia strings and just throw it in there? Or is there a legitimate connection between the 2 games?

It's a fan reference. No there's no actual connection to FF6. But really, with Final Fantasy there are a ton of things that exist between games. Monsters, moogles, chocobos, etc. I think that's what they're trying to do with this. Apparently there's rumors of them building the Golden Saucer too.

[Segata Sanshiro Jr.]

Here’s What Makes a Final Fantasy, According to Square Enix

The first item on the list is "magic"
The second is "summoning
The third on the list of needed components is "gorgeous beauty"
The fourth thing needed in a Final Fantasy is a little ambiguous: "refinement"
Lastly, they stated that Final Fantasies need "change and challenge"

And thats why they can't make another good one.

[OL]

Actually, that pretty accurately describes each successive game in the series, almost from the start. These are very broad topics of course, so detail is obviously needed to flesh each of those aspects out.
But seriously:
Every FF has magic.
Summoning has become a bit of a hallmark for the series.
It's always been a series with great graphics, and the stories always attempt to be touching. "Gorgeous beauty" is kind of ambiguous (no doubt one of those odd translation things that should probably be explained), but it seems obvious that it's a reference to appealing aesthetics on all fronts (graphics, music, story).
"Refinement" always happens. Keep the necessary gameplay hallmarks and re-tune them to fit the new story and world.
"Change and challenge" always seems to happen as well. New characters, stories, and gameplay aspects would be the change, and challenge is pretty self-explanatory.

It's clearly intended as a very, very broad guideline, so all the details aren't in there, but what's all so bad about this little list?

[Bluecast]

Here’s What Makes a Final Fantasy, According to Square Enix

The first item on the list is "magic"
The second is "summoning
The third on the list of needed components is "gorgeous beauty"
The fourth thing needed in a Final Fantasy is a little ambiguous: "refinement"
Lastly, they stated that Final Fantasies need "change and challenge"

And thats why they can't make another good one.

I don't even bother with FF anymore. To me Final Fantasy and Square Soft have been reborn and rebooted in Mistwalker and The Last Story. If more people play it then they would understand why it's one of the best RPGs in years and def bring back what used to make FF so special. Not to mention a great Main Character. Something FF has missed on since 7 or 8 depending.

[Segata Sanshiro Jr.]

Actually, that pretty accurately describes each successive game in the series, almost from the start. These are very broad topics of course, so detail is obviously needed to flesh each of those aspects out.
But seriously:
Every FF has magic.
Summoning has become a bit of a hallmark for the series.
It's always been a series with great graphics, and the stories always attempt to be touching. "Gorgeous beauty" is kind of ambiguous (no doubt one of those odd translation things that should probably be explained), but it seems obvious that it's a reference to appealing aesthetics on all fronts (graphics, music, story).
"Refinement" always happens. Keep the necessary gameplay hallmarks and re-tune them to fit the new story and world.
"Change and challenge" always seems to happen as well. New characters, stories, and gameplay aspects would be the change, and challenge is pretty self-explanatory.

It's clearly intended as a very, very broad guideline, so all the details aren't in there, but what's all so bad about this little list?

Because its so broad it could be used to talk about almost any series. So what makes a Final Fantasy a Final Fantasy is the same thing that makes a Tales game? Tales has all of those things (yep even summoning).

They have no idea behind what makes the series good, which is why we get the shallow games they've been developing lately.

[Bluecast]

“We won’t make a mistake like FF14 again – if we did, it would be like at the level of destroying the company,” he said.

But you keep making these kind of mistakes..... ..in fact they are too oblivious to even know what they do wrong in the first place.

Seriously tho Blue Dragon
Lost Odyssey
The Last Story been some of the best RPG's this gen. Few of them big name former Square Soft guys.
People need to move away from Square. It's a sinking ship not worth saving and too late. People just want to cling to a shell that has a familiar name. Go Mistwalker. It's the Square Soft of the 90's.

[OL]

Because its so broad it could be used to talk about almost any series. So what makes a Final Fantasy a Final Fantasy is the same thing that makes a Tales game? Tales has all of those things (yep even summoning).

They have no idea behind what makes the series good, which is why we get the shallow games they've been developing lately.

And where is this quote from?
I don't doubt that it's entirely taken out of context in some gaming site article. I can't imagine Square goes into a meeting about what the next Final Fantasy should be, throws these points on the table word for word, and says "well, we've got our game! Put it on a disc and we're done!"
They're guidelines. The whole point is to fill in the blanks. The defining qualities of FF lie in the details that compose those blanks. I'm not trying to defend the series at all, I just don't agree with taking five short sentences out of context and saying "yep, here's why they suck."
The problems with the more recent FF games don't come down to these particular points. These particular points are completely sound, and describe pretty much every successive FF game from IV on.
The actual problems with the most recent entries are the generally poor storytelling, first and foremost, and a lack of the adventurous creativity that earlier games had.
I don't see how the use of magic and summons, attractive aesthetics, and tweaks to the established gameplay formulas have anything to do with why the most recent entries have dipped in lasting quality. Those are just simple necessities that go into every one, boiled down to their most basic descriptions.

[Segata Sanshiro Jr.]

Over the weekend Square-enix had a showing of the new Engine they developed and during a QA with the developers this came up. I forgot to put the link.

http://kotaku.com/5963157/what-square-e ... al-fantasy

The reason this is an issue, is because they had a big showing of their new engine and then went on stage and said "This is how we make a final fantasy". Look at how they develop games, look at why they lose money and you'll realize that they might as well be saying "Yep we got all these things so uhhh just make it work" Look at how much of FF13's story was shoehorned to make some of those points work.

They don't really know what makes a Final Fantasy game stand out.

[Tuffty]

It won't happen, I'm sure of it, but I do wish that because of the recent news of Matsuno leaving Level 5, that SE is doing their damnest to get him back.

[Bluecast]

As said in the link.


This is what you need to make Final Fantasy...sorry SE he took that with him. All SE owns in the name but no the soul