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mue 26 wrote:

having one myself I have done enough research to answer with certainty that a lot of mental illnesses are for life and that's the first thing you need to accept if you want to learn to live with it and live happily

Yeah fair enough, I can respect that viewpoint if you find that it's helpful for you, and I certainly hear it a lot as it's the conventional line. But at the same time, if I'm honest, I know it's not true. It may not possible through conventional means, but I know it is possible to completely change.

I know that accepting your current circumstance is important, but I personally don't agree that anyone with severe OCD for example, should be told "you will have this condition for life, and will never fully rid yourself of it, you must accept this to be happy". I don't agree with it for two reasons: 1. anyone who tells you that is not being truthful, it's not a certainty by any means, and 2. I don't think it's impossible to be happy with your current situation yet still strive to better yourself.

south carmain wrote:
but that would lead them in the wrong way, to "cure" from a mental illness you need to learn to have complete control over it, and that's why its important that the patient understands that it will always be there but he has the strength over it, you see the potential of OCD will be there as long as the person has negative thoughts, the same goes for skizophrenia, this is why these are impossible to completely cure because they are directly attached to human nature, so either you drug the fuck out of the guy so he is unable to have these thoughts or you teach him how to gain control over his emotions so he can block it half way through

mue 26 wrote:

south carmain wrote:
but that would lead them in the wrong way, to "cure" from a mental illness you need to learn to have complete control over it, and that's why its important that the patient understands that it will always be there but he has the strength over it, you see the potential of OCD will be there as long as the person has negative thoughts, the same goes for skizophrenia, this is why these are impossible to completely cure because they are directly attached to human nature, so either you drug the fuck out of the guy so he is unable to have these thoughts or you teach him how to gain control over his emotions so he can block it half way through

I completely agree that gaining control over it is essential, the most important first thing is always learning how to gain that kind of control. But I guess it just comes down to fact that ultimately I do believe it is possible to cure these conditions, like I said it's not easy, it would require a hell of a lot of work, but there are ways to change your entire constitution, your mind, your body. not through drugs, but practices like Tai Ji or Qi Gong, and there are probably all kinds of different ways too. It's not for everyone, 99% of people don't have the raw dedication it takes to achieve that kind of constitutional change, but it is achievable.

I'm not against teaching people practical and pragmatic ways of gaining control over an existing condition, I just don't agree with people (experts or otherwise) telling people that "learning to live with it" is all they can ever hope for, and thus predetermining their fate. Because if you don't believe that anything more is possible, it isn't.

you could use meditation and relaxation techniques like you are talking about to control it and stop it yes but that won't kill it, it will only keep it away as long as you manage to keep the state of mind you are aiming to achieve through these methods.

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