Staplerfahrer Klaus wrote:Brandon_ wrote:...people always over look the fact that the USA HAS SOCIALIZED WELFARE AND HEALTHCARE.
But you even said
yourself that it's not for the masses (the healthcare, that is), and that alot of people don't have access to it. It's TOO FUCKING EXPENSIVE, a completely publicised system is CHEAPER, so there is NO REASON not to have a public healthcare system.
I think a public healthcare system should be essential in any first world country. But public has its problems, especially with the baby boomers becoming seniors, its questionable if a smaller workforce (our generation) will be able to support a huge group of seniors. Its a pretty hot issue in Canada now, where a two tier private public health care system has been discussed. Public healthcare is generally not as good quality and wait times are huge. However, the benefit is that every person has access to it
This is not a socialist country. If John works 40 hours a week to get insurance and pay bills, Bubba that sits on his ass watching TV all day should NOT .
But if it
were a socialist country, Bubba
could not be sitting on his ass all day watching television.
thats communism. Socialism isn't that strong.
EDIT- There again MJW, you could say that a problem that continues in every government all the time, and one which all parties would agree on, is poor allocation of tax money. Of course there's matters of degree involved, and people will argue over where exactly the money should go.
Now, if you say there's problems the parties agree on, what they will disagree about is the methods used to solve that problem. Getting rid of the monarchy could be considered one possible method.
well the Queen is Canada's head of state as well. It is only a technicality and a huge waste of money. Since the Queen can't be here to sign bills and stuff, we have a Governor General who is her representative. Now this position is completely useless, since she can't actually make any laws or anything, she just signs what parliament or the senate (the senate is another huge waste of money that should be abolished) gives her. Then she spends millions on luxury travel expenses for "goodwill missions". Its completely stupid and I wish Canada would leave the monarchy.
Brandon_ wrote:Please englighten me. If i lived in Canada and had no job. The canadian army would burst into my house and throw me into a work camp? What would stop some lazy bastard from not working and recieving free governmental benefits.
and about Iraq...I have no idea who Jeff is. I just have common sense.
umm Canada isn't socialist. Maybe in comparison to the USA, but there is far too much privatization happening for us to be considered socialist. I hate privatization, prises rise, service decreases, etc. I'd say Canada is semi-socialist, like most other first world countries, although maybe a little more so (although I think he was talking about communism anyways)
There is nothing to stop a lazy person from not working, but the problem is not as simple as you've put it. Sure we could get rid of welfare, public health care, etc, but theres many problems I see.
1.) Not everyone who wants to work can. Unemployment figures only take into account people actively seeking employment (those who want to work), and its usually around 5% in most countries I believe. Its not always a matter of lazyness
2.) Many jobs pay not nearly enough to support a family. You can't really be expected to raise a family by working the cash register at Walmart
3.) Welfare and health insurance are for the family. If you want to cut it off, and the person is in fact just lazy, then sure you punish him, but his children should be punished too? This creates a nevereneding cycle of people stuck in the same situation.
4.) Not giving people necessities could encourage crime, since they need something and will do whatever necessary to recieve it. plus going to jail isn't all that bad in this situation, free food and shelter.
Now if all of these don't apply, the person truly doesn't want to work, they have no family, etc. I can see where your coming from. My personal opinion is you give them enough to get by, give them shelter and food, but little else. But thats just my left winged opinion and I can see where your coming from with yours, unfortunately I don't think its good justification for private health care.
And I doubt your Jeff, even with the flaws, your posts still seemed to have too much logic and not just "Bush said its okay so it must be"