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[Jokatech19]

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I'm really looking forward to tomorrow's match between Pacman and Mosley.

I might be at a party, and I really need someone to teach me how to record live stream video. I have a way of viewing it, but I don't think I'll be home for the fight. I know that if I miss the fight there will be no replay video due to these new laws.

[Res]

Can't help you with that one but I say Pacquiao in 10.

[Kenshin]

Not a big surprise here. Mosley is 39 years old and he knew his legs werent there anymore. He could keep the pace so he just played Defense for pretty much the entire fight with one or two big punches here and there. Made for a semi-boring fight but Pacman got it done.

Only fight left for him is Marquez III or Obviously Mayweather, but thats probably not gonna happen.

[Res]

Not a big surprise here. Mosley is 39 years old and he knew his legs werent there anymore. He could keep the pace so he just played Defense for pretty much the entire fight with one or two big punches here and there. Made for a semi-boring fight but Pacman got it done.

Only fight left for him is Marquez III or Obviously Mayweather, but thats probably not gonna happen.

That's the problem with Mosley, if he gets in trouble in a match, he never shows the courage to actually fight. Instead, he goes on cruise control and survival mode.

In regards to Marquez, I'm one of the very few who believe that he doesn't really deserve a 3rd shot at Pacquiao, considering he failed to beat him in 2 shots, the first of which was a draw but should've been a win for Pacquiao if not for one judge losing his mathematical marbles and scoring the first round 10-7 instead of 10-6 (1 knockdown in a round usually grants 10-8, 2 grants 10-7, 3 grants 10-6 and since there were 3 then you can't say Pacquiao didn't dominate that round and therefore deserve the 10-6).

The one name you didn't mention is Timothy Bradley who deserves the shot more than anyone else but because he's not a big name then it might not fall through. Honestly, he would be the toughest compettion right now for Pacquiao. Bradley is the undefeated light-welterweight champion and in his last 3 fights has beaten previously undefeated opponents including Devon Alexander. Marquez is past his prime and can't beat Pacquiao. Mayweather is rusty and has out-of-the-ring problems. Bradley is an undefeated world champion in his prime.

[aznkhmerboi]

Pacman is just a jumping machine that guy never seems to get tired. Mosley did a pretty decent job on offense and defense, but Pacman just owned him ... i mean the guy never gets tired...

[Jokatech19]

The fight was very dissappointing, and I rarely say that.

However, now, I'm hearing Mayweather talking alot of crap about how Pacquiao is taking his leftovers and dodging him, which is making me start to think that Mayweather might be seriously mentally disturbed. His denial is reaching epic proportions and his fans keep coddling him. If you've followed what's happened, then you already know by now that, they agreed to terms for a fight twice with Manny agreeing to drug test on Floyd's schedule and Mayweather was given 48 hours to sign off on his end and STILL backed out of the fight. He used every excuse in the book from, "I just fought 60 days ago," to, "the money's not right." I'm sick of that chimp. Any supporters he has left are idiots.

Unfortunately, as far as an alternate fight, Marquez wouldn't last 5 rounds with Manny right now. People are dwelling on what happened years ago. Manny is bigger and way better now. They are not a match at all. And as far as Bradley, I like him as a fighter, but wins aside, he is not skilled enough to even step to Manny.The only reason he even won in his fight with Alexander was because Alexander was inexperienced, rash, and got cut on top of that. Bradley doesn't have knockout power at all, and is not nearly as fast as Pacman. Add this to the fact that has been hurt by fighters much weaker than pacman, and it makes for a bad fight ending in KO. It looks like Manny might just have to hang it up.

[SaM_4000]

^ Gotta Agree with what you said about the fight and Mayweather.
The fight was pretty disappointing for me also, I actually thought that Mosley might be able to pull off an upset and the opening two rounds looked posittive, like he was going to make this a tough battle for Pacman. It just went downhill from there, obviously the knockdown had an affect as it should, but he didn't even look like he attempted to come back at Pacman after that point.

As for Mayweather what else can I say that already hasn't been said a million times? the guy is a joke. It bothers me, the boxing fans and basically the whole sporting landscape that he doesn't want to take the fight. The funny thing is I actually think my money would be on Mayweather to beat Pacman in the fight if it actually takes place. Honestly, if the fight had actually took place when it was supposed to it would've been huge, I am not saying it won't be huge if they actually agree to terms but as time goes by my interest dwindles in this dream bout.

...And now for something completely different, In the middleweight division Daniel Geale is the new IBF middleweight champion beating German Sebastian Sylvester in front of his home fans!. Hopefully Geale can set up a date with Sergio Martinez

[Res]

^ Yet, surprisingly enough, he doesn't seem to want to hang 'em up now. The only problem, like you said, is that there are no big names left to fight him. Mayweather is the biggest name but he's proven to be a coward and I've accepted that he'll never fight Pacquiao. But, Mayweather doesn't have the best chance against Pacquiao. Bradley doesn't have the best chance either but he is the guy who deserves it the most, especially now that the Khan fight is not gonna happen. Speaking of which, Khan might be an intriguing bout for Manny. Unfortunately, the guy's that have the best chance against Manny (not that anyone has a chance against Manny) are guys whose names are not familiar to the sports world and therefore won't generate big money, like Robert Guerrero who is the best Lightweight in the world. Khan might be the biggest name left (I can't believe I'm saying that).

However, if Pacquiao looks beyond the welterweights he will see Sergio Gabriel Martinez as SaM_4000 mentioned. Martinez is the Middleweight champ who just ko'd Paul Williams in 2 and stopped the undefeated Serhiy Dzinziruk in 8. Martinez is the guy that, if Pacquiao is willing to risk a fight against a middleweight (they can fight at Catchweight and have martinez' title on the line) then that can generate some interest. But, in regards to someone in Pacquiao's weightclass, Bradley is the deserving one. Though, I'd like to see Martinez next because martinez, considering everything, has the best chance against Manny right now.

[Jokatech19]

I must say that it isn't wise to belittle Khan. He's in Manny's camp under Roach and is by far, better than just about any other fight out there. The Bradley fight will be a joke. And the Martinez fight is too big a weight jump and would be an unfair and BS loss potentially. If Gayfeather want's to keep hiding, then Manny should fight Khan or retire.

On another note, I'm proud of Holyfield for his win this past week. He is itching closer to a title fight and despite being old and criticized for continuing to fight, he at least is getting a fair shake. I mean, the last 2 fights he lost were close and they were unfair matchups to a Roided up Ibragimov and an 8 foot tall fighter after that. This last win was a quality win over a great hall of famer. He can now make a run at one of the lower belts and hang it up with pride.

[Kenshin]

Timothy Bradley should not be mentioned as a contender against Pacquiao. He has not yet proven himself against elite fighters anywhere near the caliber that Pacman has fought. At this point if they fought I could see it going similar to how Manny's last few fights have went. Overwhelm him with speed and volume of punches and put him on the defensive the entire fight. I couldn't see the fight going any other way.

Some are people are living in denial though. I hate Mayweather, no doubt. But there is no denying that he is the most skilled boxer that Manny could possibly fight. He is one of the greatest technical boxers of this era. So even though he's a coward who is scared to death to take chances if there is a possibility that his record will be compromised, he is still the top of the food chain.

[Res]

Timothy Bradley should not be mentioned as a contender against Pacquiao. He has not yet proven himself against elite fighters anywhere near the caliber that Pacman has fought. At this point if they fought I could see it going similar to how Manny's last few fights have went. Overwhelm him with speed and volume of punches and put him on the defensive the entire fight. I couldn't see the fight going any other way.

Some are people are living in denial though. I hate Mayweather, no doubt. But there is no denying that he is the most skilled boxer that Manny could possibly fight. He is one of the greatest technical boxers of this era. So even though he's a coward who is scared to death to take chances if there is a possibility that his record will be compromised, he is still the top of the food chain.

I think the only one living in denial is Mayweather who keeps pretending that he's going to fight Manny then he backs out. He's the only one who seems to have a sudden lack of confidence in his skills.

In regards to Bradley, I gotta respectfully disagree on one point. Bradley does indeed deserve to be mentioned as a potential fighter against Pacquiao NOT because of what he will do (I also believe he will lose) but because of what he has done. It's not like there's another fighter out there who is destroying every big name in the sport so you can't compare people to Pacquiao. It's very possible that some unknown contender has the best shot to beat Pacquiao but that unknown contender hasn't earned the shot to face him. Bradley has earned the shot. Though, just because he has earned the shot doesn't mean he has the best chance to beat him. Considering he backed out of the Khan fight, I don't know if he would even consider facing Pacquiao anyway.

I have to once again mention Martinez. Sure, he's a Middleweight but Pacquiao needs a serious challenge. Remember, Pacquiao moved way up in weight to fight De La Hoya and he destroyed him. Manny doesn't have to actually move up in weight to face Martinez he can gain just a few pounds and take his chances. I for one believe that he would have shot to win.

btw, It's good to know that there are big boxing fans on this forum who actually have insightful opinions. Makes for good conversations about the sweet science.

[Kenshin]

Roach has already stated that Pacman is done at 154, so its very unlikely that he'll fight Sergio. To much size, its not smart for him to keep fighting there.

In regards to JMM, It is pretty obvious that he will always be a threat to Pacquiao. Why? Because styles make fights, and those damn uppercuts of his are always gonna land when fighting Pac. He's always gonna frustrate Pac as has been proven by the first two fights. He barely won both of those and I don't imagine that a third fight would be all that much different. Manny being the bigger strong athlete at this point and younger, I would put money on him, but you should never sleep on JMM. This fight certainly makes sense. Plus it would bring in alot of buys from the Mexican crowd cause they hate Pacman for wrecking their best.

[Jokatech19]

Kenshin, I have to disagree. Marquez as I stated would be the worst fight now for Manny. The good fights they had were at a different period. Screw styles. Even considering styles, Manny has developed a straight left, switch boxing, and several other moves since then. They are in different leagues. You see the caliber of fighter Marquez is by Floyds pounding of him. To think he would stand a chance undermines the devastation Pacman has caused these past few years. Marquez would lose to everyone that manny has destroyed. Sergio and Mayweather are the only 2 fights

[Kenshin]

No, thats simply not true. Here's a breakdown for you.

Pacman still does all of the following:

Leads with his face

Comes in and out in strait lines. (Watch the Mosley fight)

Crosses his feet

Case in point. Manny's right hook. He threw it all night against Mosley. He ducks his head every time when he does so, yet shane didnt throw one right uppercut the entire fight.

JMM is an uppercut specialist and you can bet your ass he'll be throwing them all night.

Manny does some things better, but overall he is the same fighter.

Floyds pounding of JMM has nothing to do with how he would do against Manny. As I said, styles make fights. Marquez gets in trouble when he is forced to move forward and is being made the agressor, which is Floyds entire game, he is a defensive counterpuncher. Manny is not. Thats why everytime Manny and JMM have fought its been so close.

Styles make fights. There is really no reasonable reason to think Pac will dominate this fight anymore than he did the last two.

[Jokatech19]

Pacman circles when he fights more than ever, has gained more power than he had before, and has become much more of a counterpuncher. Crosses his feet? Leads with his head? Wow. That's insane. You must be stuck on film from the Morales loss and the Marquez fights, because that is totally wrong. Any boxing enthusiast and practioner will tell you he has some of the best foot work in ages. He does not lead with his head. He jabs like a big fighter and protects himself more than ever. There is a reason his form is being compared to the greats. Whatever you're seeing no longer exists. He is nothing like the Pacqiao that fought Marquez years ago. There is every reason to believe he will dominate that fight. If he hadn't evolved, like I said, he would not have put the work in he has over these past years. Anyone can see the stark transformation. They are two fighters at the opposite side of the spectrum right now. Get over the close fights they had back then. Look at the film of then, and now. And look at the body of work. Manny has had to improve and step up. We'll have to agree to disagree, because I see all kinds of flaws in what you're saying.