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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby south carmain » Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:47 pm

These terrorists don't come out of no where, there are specific mosques creating them, specific communities shielding them and specific groups funding them. They're not just a bunch of religious nutjobs who one day opened their holy book and happened to come across a verse telling them to kill and suddenly decided to act on it. They're actually incredibly sophisticated in their propaganda, brainwashing and training. They're a highly organised group and not taking them seriously leads to what we have pretty much every week now somewhere in the world. I'm not talking about making the UK a police state either I'm talking about applying the same standards as they do to others on to them.

The comparison chart is also not a very good comparison, it's comparing an outright insurgency to a few terrorist attacks. Also just shrugging it off won't work either, these people will always find a reason to keep on doing it. There is no political solution to be found with them like the IRA, the phillipines isn't involved in bombing some middle eastern country yet they have an insurgency happening right now, trinidad and tobago didn't even have a muslim population percentage in the double digits when islamists created a coup there and that was pre 9/11. Indonesia was a Muslim nation but because the government was secular, islamists created an insurgency there decades ago too. Shrugging it off won't work when it's an ideological war, even if we don't get mad they're still winning adherants and sympathisers every day and just killing kuffars is a victory in itself for them.

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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby UnHoly Bible » Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:38 pm

shredingskin wrote: Do people from time to time feel happiness, and how do they rate that ?

Or is it something kinda lingering ?

How does that work ?


After a while of a terrible life I decided to rate my happiness as lengths of time where I feel no particular sadness or emotional pain. To me its something like being able to appreciate what's going on in the current day. Euphoric kind of happiness is fleeting and comes rarely for me, and chasing that got me in a whole lot of hell. I can't say that it wasn't worth the experience of it though.
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Re: Random Thoughts

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Re: Random Thoughts

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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby St. Elmo's Fire » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:56 am

south carmain wrote: These terrorists don't come out of no where, there are specific mosques creating them, specific communities shielding them and specific groups funding them. They're not just a bunch of religious nutjobs who one day opened their holy book and happened to come across a verse telling them to kill and suddenly decided to act on it. They're actually incredibly sophisticated in their propaganda, brainwashing and training. They're a highly organised group and not taking them seriously leads to what we have pretty much every week now somewhere in the world. I'm not talking about making the UK a police state either I'm talking about applying the same standards as they do to others on to them.


But there are WAY more potential ISIS-sympathisers willing to take a shot at whitey than there were IRA folks. Too many mosques, cults, groups etc. to keep an eye on and to potentially go and bust when someone does something bad. The "religious nutjob" brainwashing must be at least a part of it with them too, maybe not with the shot-callers who use it as their excuse or reason to operate, but some of the folks who actually do the attacks must be think along those lines since being so willing to die for your cause is such a big thing with them...

south carmain wrote:The comparison chart is also not a very good comparison, it's comparing an outright insurgency to a few terrorist attacks. Also just shrugging it off won't work either, these people will always find a reason to keep on doing it. There is no political solution to be found with them like the IRA, the phillipines isn't involved in bombing some middle eastern country yet they have an insurgency happening right now, trinidad and tobago didn't even have a muslim population percentage in the double digits when islamists created a coup there and that was pre 9/11. Indonesia was a Muslim nation but because the government was secular, islamists created an insurgency there decades ago too. Shrugging it off won't work when it's an ideological war, even if we don't get mad they're still winning adherants and sympathisers every day and just killing kuffars is a victory in itself for them.


My bleak look for the future of "shrugging it off" may not be the "answer", I just suggested we may get used to it and it won't bother folks as much anymore. Only answer I can think of is when the majority of Sunni Muslims become as atheist and non-caring about religion as most other religious groups. Even then, there's plenty hate in the world to go around so they may use a different excuse, though using religion seems to be the most powerful tool since there are already so many pre-made believers in that sort of Islam.

Alternatively, the government could just legalise terrorism..?
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby south carmain » Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:12 pm

St. Elmo's Fire wrote:But there are WAY more potential ISIS-sympathisers willing to take a shot at whitey than there were IRA folks. Too many mosques, cults, groups etc. to keep an eye on and to potentially go and bust when someone does something bad. The "religious nutjob" brainwashing must be at least a part of it with them too, maybe not with the shot-callers who use it as their excuse or reason to operate, but some of the folks who actually do the attacks must be think along those lines since being so willing to die for your cause is such a big thing with them...

In the world yes but in the UK I wouldn't say so. If the number is growing it's because we have been lenient on letting their ideology spread, 20 years ago the number of Muslims adhering to an extreme version of the Islamic ideology would be rather low however since we have allowed wahhabi preachers infiltrate and brainwash Muslims to the point where the majority have become extreme in some way or another and there are surveys proving this. If we do nothing to tackle this issue it's only a matter of time before it all blows up way more than it already has.

St. Elmo's Fire wrote: My bleak look for the future of "shrugging it off" may not be the "answer", I just suggested we may get used to it and it won't bother folks as much anymore. Only answer I can think of is when the majority of Sunni Muslims become as atheist and non-caring about religion as most other religious groups. Even then, there's plenty hate in the world to go around so they may use a different excuse, though using religion seems to be the most powerful tool since there are already so many pre-made believers in that sort of Islam.

Alternatively, the government could just legalise terrorism..?

I would strongly disagree that they just use religion as an excuse to commit violence. They truly believe in what they do and I don't think many of these young students and university graduates that turn to terrorism do it because they actually have an urge to kill anyone different to them. I wouldn't count on waiting for them to become more atheistic either, as time goes by European Muslims have been getting more extreme not the opposite. Things won't calm down until there's a strong approach on extreme islam as well as a reform amongst European Muslims and that won't happen on it's own. If the government doesn't come down hard on it like they do other hateful ideologies that preach supremacy, death, dehumanization and absolute loyalty to it above all else then everyone will continue twisting their thumbs until the issue gets so bad we will have little pockets of troubled northern Ireland all across the UK but with no long term solution to be had.
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby myshtuff » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:33 pm

Got married over the weekend in Vegas in a rocky horror picture show ceremony. I can now officially say my wife and I were married by a fictional alien transvestite in fish net stockings. It's gonna be one hell of an ice breaker for the rest of my life.

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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby Mr357 » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:40 pm

myshtuff wrote: Got married over the weekend in Vegas in a rocky horror picture show ceremony. I can now officially say my wife and I were married by a fictional alien transvestite in fish net stockings. It's gonna be one hell of an ice breaker for the rest of my life.


Well congratulations! =D>

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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby St. Elmo's Fire » Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:36 pm

south carmain wrote:I would strongly disagree that they just use religion as an excuse to commit violence. They truly believe in what they do and I don't think many of these young students and university graduates that turn to terrorism do it because they actually have an urge to kill anyone different to them. I wouldn't count on waiting for them to become more atheistic either, as time goes by European Muslims have been getting more extreme not the opposite. Things won't calm down until there's a strong approach on extreme islam as well as a reform amongst European Muslims and that won't happen on it's own. If the government doesn't come down hard on it like they do other hateful ideologies that preach supremacy, death, dehumanization and absolute loyalty to it above all else then everyone will continue twisting their thumbs until the issue gets so bad we will have little pockets of troubled northern Ireland all across the UK but with no long term solution to be had.


But if they truly believe in what they do, surely it's religion-based thoughts along the lines of "superiority" and "infidels need to go"? If the smart Uni Muslims don't do it for religion, then why do they do it? Because you yourself said it was also happening in other countries like the Philippines who have not much to do with Syria or Iraq etc.? And if they don't want to "commit violence" with religion as the reasoning, why are the attacks they do usually quite violent below-the-belt sorts of efforts?

I think atheism will take them hundreds of years. Ancient Christians behaved in pretty shocking ways, so probably another 200-400 years should do it. When the Conservatives get re-elected, I will have to work until that age before I can retire anyway.
Until then I actually do sort of expect the "small pockets of IRA-esque violence" to continue in various ways.

Isn't this the peril of living in a relatively "free" society? Innocent until proven guilty, with a wide range of red tape, courts and reasonably transparent reasonings that the state has to give before it deports you or throws you in jail?
I agree it does take the piss when someone like that Abu Hamza guy can get away with it for so long, but the system in "free" countries kind of makes it that way, though other "free" places like Australia and Japan manage to do things that seem pretty radical without too much in the way of international outrage...
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby south carmain » Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:54 pm

St. Elmo's Fire wrote:
But if they truly believe in what they do, surely it's religion-based thoughts along the lines of "superiority" and "infidels need to go"? If the smart Uni Muslims don't do it for religion, then why do they do it? Because you yourself said it was also happening in other countries like the Philippines who have not much to do with Syria or Iraq etc.? And if they don't want to "commit violence" with religion as the reasoning, why are the attacks they do usually quite violent below-the-belt sorts of efforts?

What? I said that they do it for religion not because they want to necessarily be violent but because the extremists convinced them that's what their religion wants. The commit violence in the name of Islam because it is as political as it is relgious and the only guarantee you have in it to go to heaven is through war. Hence why I said they need a reformation and this is an ideological war.

St. Elmo's Fire wrote:I think atheism will take them hundreds of years. Ancient Christians behaved in pretty shocking ways, so probably another 200-400 years should do it. When the Conservatives get re-elected, I will have to work until that age before I can retire anyway.
Until then I actually do sort of expect the "small pockets of IRA-esque violence" to continue in various ways.

Ancient Christians were actually incredibly peaceful, it's only once it became a political force through the Roman empire adopting it that it became violent and during those times the Church didn't even allow the common man to own a bible. The difference between Christianity and Islam is that Islam is as much a political system as it is a religion so comparing the two doesn't work. Because of the reasons I listed before you can expect much more than a few pockets of violence in the future if we allow it to continue as it is.

St. Elmo's Fire wrote:Isn't this the peril of living in a relatively "free" society? Innocent until proven guilty, with a wide range of red tape, courts and reasonably transparent reasonings that the state has to give before it deports you or throws you in jail?
I agree it does take the piss when someone like that Abu Hamza guy can get away with it for so long, but the system in "free" countries kind of makes it that way, though other "free" places like Australia and Japan manage to do things that seem pretty radical without too much in the way of international outrage...

The point I'm making is that the UK is hardly as free as it is and everything these hate preachers get away with is because the government are more lenient on them than other groups. Most of the stuff these people are doing is already illegal but somehow they keep on "getting through the net" I'm not suggesting the government do anything worse than they already have done up until now, if we can prosecute nazis for hate speech then why not these people who have incredibly similar messages? Look how long it took just to imprison Anjem Choudary...

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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby Bluecast » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:40 pm

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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby Brothaman » Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:01 am

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Re: Random Thoughts

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Re: Random Thoughts

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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby Bluecast » Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:29 pm

I guess this place changed last few years. It's the reverse of what it used to be. Dead in Shenmue forums active elsewhere back then but no longer the case. It totally makes sense the Shenmue ones are white hot and they should be. Granted only been active again for a month and in a way I feel like a new member but not seen an real drama in that time and hopefully finally that is one tradition that stopped.

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