Justice League

[Peter]

Well from what I can tell, there was no real plotholes, or nothing left hanging by the end of the movie. That's how I felt after it. Just a good entertaining move where I felt satisfied at the end. That what I pay my money for so good job all round. Maybe not plot holes per se, but there are 2 issues I will put on spoilers:

So the mid crefits scene has Bruce Wayne get a file from Waller which had the Flash and Aquaman in it. Since he is looking to meet these new friends. Ok, the Comic Con Justice League trailer kinda shat on that but whatever. But also in the file is Enchantress. So are they implying she's showing up in Justice League? How? Rick Flag essentially killed Enchantress by squeezing the shit out of her heart, thus bringin back Moone. So that's kinda left open.

This is something I completely missed, as well as a lot of people apparently, and it's still not 100% confirmed until I see a screenshot or I watch it again. But during the beginning of the movie, each character has this stop motion screen where their name is revealed, and a bulletpoint list of their key skills and personality traits etc. It's a good idea and fits with the movie in general, but specifically with Harley Quinn, the very last bulletpoint supposedly says that she was the one who killed Robin, who's suit we seen in BvS. That's a pretty big deal, but like I said, I didn't see it and a lot of people didn't see it also. But a few also saying that they did.

[OL]

So the mid crefits scene has Bruce Wayne get a file from Waller which had the Flash and Aquaman in it. Since he is looking to meet these new friends. Ok, the Comic Con Justice League trailer kinda shat on that but whatever. But also in the file is Enchantress. So are they implying she's showing up in Justice League? How? Rick Flag essentially killed Enchantress by squeezing the shit out of her heart, thus bringin back Moone. So that's kinda left open.

Nah, that's not a plot hole, or anything left open. Amanda Waller was just

giving him a file full of known metahumans. That's all it was. Even if she's dead or whatever, Batman still likes to have all information possible at his fingertips.

But yeah, I just got back from it and... I'm gonna have side with the critics on this one. It's really not good. I wouldn't go so far as to shit on it as much as others have, but as both a fan of the comics and someone who just likes a good fun movie, I thought it was pretty poor all around. David Ayer should never again be let near a DC movie.

First, the things I liked:
- Any time Batman showed up.
- The one short little scene involving

The Flash.

- Captain Boomerang in general was great.
- As was El Diablo, who actually turned out to have a worthwhile backstory and whatnot (though I don't believe I've ever read anything with him in the comics, so I can't compare for accuracy or whatever).
- Enchantress at least looked cool when she was in total demon mode, all dark and dirty.
- Shockingly, Will Smith was actually good, and the basic portrayal of Deadshot worked great.
- Ike Barinholtz's line about his internet history got a giggle out of me.

But then there's the stuff I didn't like, which far outweighs anything else:
- The Joker. My god, THE JOKER. This is absolutely the worst rendition of the Joker I've ever seen, without a doubt, and it isn't even the fault of the tattoos.
Not even mentioning the completely unceremonious introduction he gets, Jared Leto has practically ZERO screen presence here, and does nothing on his end to make the role interesting. For all the fucking talk of how "method" he was about it, and how hard he worked to find the right laugh and voice and all that shit, I have to say that none of it paid off whatsoever. He commits the absolute worst sin you can commit when portraying the Joker: he's boring.
I think David Ayer totally forgot what the character's name was when writing the script, because the Joker literally doesn't say or do a single funny thing. And Leto doesn't even attempt to say or do the things given to him in an entertaining way; just as I'd guessed from the trailers, all he does is jerk around in angry, aggressive ways, trying so hard to be intimidating. But it's all for naught, because he isn't intimidating at all. He's all guns and jerkiness with a voice that sounds like he's congested. It's absolutely awful, both on the writing and the performance level. Compare all that to Heath Ledger's Joker, who was intimidating and scary and as entertaining as can be from the very second you see him... and yeah, you know something is wrong here.
David Ayer recently said that he based the whole thing on the Joker's very first appearance, where he was just an insane gangster. Well, way to go ignoring 70 friggin' years of development on that one. The Joker is more than just a crazy gangster, and anyone who actually gives a shit about the source material would know that.
- Oh, and Harley Quinn is terrible as well. Margot Robbie is a really good actress, but you wouldn't know it from watching this. She seems utterly unfamiliar with Harley's original incarnation, as nothing she does or says feels natural, nor does any of it feel like an ode to the original. When Arleen Sorkin played the character, words like "Mistah J." and "puddin'" sounded like it was just the way she talks. It was perfect, down to the little squeaks and whatnot she'd make when she was yelled at. None of that shit works in this case. Just like I'd guessed at with the trailers, everything she does feels completely forced and try-hard.
Not to mention that her presence in the Suicide Squad barely makes sense anyway. It would be one thing if they were taking down terrorists or something, since she's a goofball who wouldn't think twice about jumping into a fight, but the main threat in this is magic-based... so what the fuck does she bring to the table? A mallet with a smiley face on it?
Her presence in the big, final confrontation is just... dumb. She's useless for most of the movie.
Oh, and there's a scene where

Enchantress makes everyone see their ultimate desires or whatever, and in Harley's little fantasy, she's living a normal married life with the Joker, except it's regular Jared Leto with brown hair and all that. Have to say it: Harley Quinn would never wish for the Joker to be anything different from what he is. She wants the pale-faced, green-haired guy who makes everything funny, not the tanned, brown-haired singer from Thirty Seconds To Mars. In showing her inner thoughts, they completely fucked up her entire character.

- The Joker's relationship with Harley Quinn is completely off too. I don't know what they've done in the comics more recently, but her original incarnation was basically a puppet and punching bag for the Joker. It was a parallel to that classic case, where the girlfriend loves her man and stays by his side, even though he's an abusive jerk who doesn't actually love her, clearly only using her for his own means. That is what their relationship should be. It's something real that actually happens a lot in real life, just transposed onto these two insane characters.
Instead, they're portrayed here as star-crossed lovers. Hell, the Joker's entire presence in the movie is driven by his love for her, putting everything at risk trying to break her out of prison and all that.
This is not the Joker and Harley Quinn that I know.
- Outside of the Joker and all that, the movie acts as an introduction to other elements of the DC Universe, namely the "magic" side of things. Enchantress starts off as an interesting visual, at the very least, but eventually everything involving her turns hokey and unsubtle. Where MoS and BvS at least made some small attempt to remain slightly "grounded" in their visuals and whatnot, this one completely flies off the rails and doesn't give a single shit if it looks silly.
Oh, and here's a kicker for ya: apparently anything magic-related can be solved with explosions. So y'know, if you ever encounter any god-like ancient beings and all... just chuck a bomb. Works wonders apparently.
- Katana is completely forgettable and uninteresting. I honestly have no idea why she was even there.
- Killer Croc could have been cool, if not for the dumbass hokey dialogue he gets every now and then. Totally ruins it.

So yeah, it was pretty bad. And that's not even mentioning how choppy and badly-put-together the movie itself is, where flashbacks are awkwardly intercut at random times, and the plot is about as far from smooth as can be. And hey, if things are getting boring: here's another random piece of licensed music that has nothing to do with anything, but you're familiar with it so it makes things better!
(seriously, what's with all the goddamn rock and rap in this? It's like a crutch for bad editing)
After the bad reviews, I seriously perked up and thought I might be pleasantly surprised with this; I was of such a contrary mind to most people about BvS, I figured I might be with this too. But no, no such luck.
At best, the movie is uninteresting.
At worst: the Joker.
Seriously, worst rendition of the Joker I've ever seen. And I'm not even saying that in the Comic Book Guy voice. It just really is the worst.

[MiTT3NZ]

Well, shit.

[Calshot]

After the bad reviews, I seriously perked up and thought I might be pleasantly surprised with this; I was of such a contrary mind to most people about BvS, I figured I might be with this too. But no, no such luck.
At best, the movie is uninteresting.
At worst: the Joker.

I can't say for sure, but I've heard that (much like BvS), it was edited again and had reshoots, possibly due to executive mandate.

Maybe the director's cut will be better. I've heard there were more Joker/Harley scenes that were dropped, so maybe you will just hate it more.

[Riku Rose]

So I'd say this is the film I've enjoyed the most out of the DC universe films so far but at best it's ok. The film itself is an ok 2 hours but one of those films you'd never watch again even if it came on TV while you was sat in one night.

The worst thing about this film is what they've done to some characters mainly the Joker.

As much as I hated Batman v Superman I'd argue that Ben Affleck hit it out of the park but what we have now is the best ever Batman and the worst ever Joker. It's like they mixed the pimp Gary Oldman plays in True Romance with Tuco from Breaking Bad and threw some white make up and green hair on him. He also doesn't tell a single joke and just seems angry the whole time, he also just laughs randomly. "Here's your drink Mr J!" "HAHAHAHAHA!". "This is my friend Tim." "HAHAHAHAHA!"

Margot Robbie had the odd good line but it seemed like she was acting in a porno more then a big budget movie.

Deadshot was pretty cool but it seemed like Will Smith character from The Pursuit of Happiness but instead of selling X-Rays he is an assassin. The scene with him on top of the car shooting was the highlight of the film and I wanted to see stuff like that with the Punisher in the Daredevil series.

Killer Croc was just a weird looking version of Vince Vaughan's character from Be Cool that awful John Travolta movie..

People always say about the solo Marvel films why don't the Avengers just turn up and solve everything but I had this issue even more with this film. They say at one point that the city has been under attack for 3 days straight and no one has turned up to help. The pacing was so bad that until they said that I thought the whole film had taken place in one day.

The movie just also didn't earn any of the character development that it tried to force down our throat. The characters start calling each other friends randomly when the whole movie they keep banging on about how evil they are, literally the only 2 characters that have chemistry is Will Smith and Margot Robbie and that's mainly because they're the only ones given any screen time. It just seemed like David Ayer watched Guardians of the Galaxy and thought it would be a good idea for them to all say they're friends like in that film and totally missed the point.

In fact the whole movie felt like David Ayer was just trying to do DC's version of Guardians of the Galaxy. The problem is that in Guardians they aren't pure evil like this film tries to make their characters out to be. Making the audience like a bad guy like Tony Soprano takes effort but they seem to think you'll just like these people since they're the main characters of the movie and put no effort into it.

I also laughed at how they gave heavy backstories for Will Smith and Margot Robbie (which they seemed to focus on Joker more) and Amanda Waller was like. "Yeah we have some other guys played by some less well known actors as well."

Overall it was a kinda ok movie. The main issue with it is that we're now stuck with some of the things this movie has done to the DC universe mainly the Joker. I've been waiting for WB to drop Zack Snyder and I'm excited for the Batman solo movie but now they have to work with this being a part of things.

[OL]

Randomly saw this on youtube. I don't usually bother watching random videos like this, but it was nice seeing some actual positivity in the video's title, so I had to click. And it actually spells out just about everything I loved about BvS.
Seriously, even if you didn't like the movie, give this an honest watch. Maybe having it all stated in black and white will give you a different perspective. It pretty much felt like they were reciting my own thoughts on the movie.
And it just went to reinforce to me how poor Suicide Squad was; it's nowhere even near the same level of filmmaking that BvS was.

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[Ziming]

Suicide Squad review by Angry Joe and his yes men.

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[MiTT3NZ]

I detest that channel.

[OL]

Good god, that idiot is annoying. Can't shut up and let anyone else talk. He calls Margot Robbie "Margaret," then talks about how the original voice for Harley was Tara Strong. And keeps saying "they got it right," as if he actually knows anything about these characters' original incarnations.
Yeah. I'm gonna guess he's not exactly an authority on the subject.
And it's not that he's an idiot for liking the movie (that part's fine), it's just that he's so fucking insufferable to listen to. How the hell is his channel so popular and successful?
Even the parts that I agree with him on (namely that Jai Courtney is really good in it, and that the Joker is too in love with Harley) were hard to listen to.

[Monkei]

After the bad reviews, I seriously perked up and thought I might be pleasantly surprised with this; I was of such a contrary mind to most people about BvS, I figured I might be with this too. But no, no such luck.
At best, the movie is uninteresting.
At worst: the Joker.

I can't say for sure, but I've heard that (much like BvS), it was edited again and had reshoots, possibly due to executive mandate.

Maybe the director's cut will be better. I've heard there were more Joker/Harley scenes that were dropped, so maybe you will just hate it more.

Leto said a ton of Joker scenes were cut, he sounded pretty frustrated.. plus there were two competing cuts of the movie, maybe the studio just picked the wrong one. They probably were in total panic and damage control mode after the bad reception BvS got. Maybe a director's cut can undo some of the damage later on..

[Riku Rose]

I was thinking about this movie today and thought of something that made this movie possibly the most stupid movie ever.

So the Suicide Squad are sent into the city to evacuate someone. They fight through the city and get to the skyscraper where they go up to the top floor. They get the person out of the room they're hiding in go up one flight of stairs and this person get's in a helicopter...

Why did they need to go exactly? Just send the helicopter!

[OL]

^^The giant eagles from Return of the King.

Maybe a director's cut can undo some of the damage later on..

Nah, the issues with the movie don't stem from editing (though the editing is indeed bad), missing anything in the story, or not having enough Joker. If anything, more Joker would make it worse. The problems with the movie come down mostly to conceptual stuff, terrible dialogue, and the overall "trying-too-hard-to-be-hip" tone of it.

[myshtuff]

Just saw it last night also. I feel like I sat through a 2 hour movie about nothing. Also, why was Enchantress samba dancing during the entire final scene? She kept gyrating and I was so confused why she was doing that.

[Who Really Cares?]

I detest that channel.

Never managed to finish a video from him.

[Monkei]

This is something I completely missed, as well as a lot of people apparently, and it's still not 100% confirmed until I see a screenshot or I watch it again. But during the beginning of the movie, each character has this stop motion screen where their name is revealed, and a bulletpoint list of their key skills and personality traits etc. It's a good idea and fits with the movie in general, but specifically with Harley Quinn, the very last bulletpoint supposedly says that she was the one who killed Robin, who's suit we seen in BvS. That's a pretty big deal, but like I said, I didn't see it and a lot of people didn't see it also. But a few also saying that they did.

And in a blink-and-you-miss-it moment, Suicide Squad confirms that Harley Quinn was complicit in Robin's murder.

Taken from IGN: http://m.ign.com/articles/2016/08/07/who-killed-robin-suicide-squad-adds-another-wrinkle-to-the-story