Monkei wrote: Kenny wrote:Even more so when Finn, a goddamn non-force sensitive stormtrooper
Why would you assume something like that? You do not recognize Finn holding that lightsaber,
twice, and trying to hold his ground against Kylo as foreshadowing? Aren't you into writing scripts yourself? What do you think Finn is gonna be in the rest of the trilogy? A guy with a blaster?
Probably because they show Rey's ascension with the force more blatantly and Finn is just shown as a guy clumsily waving a lightsaber around with no indication he might be one with the Force. He also fucked up both times.
Sorry, the "don't you write scripts too" argument doesn't really work as all writers are different. Especially since with me, I concern myself with gradual progression when it comes to character development. You might as well have Han be the one wielding the lightsaber and fighting his own son, turning to the audience and saying "I was a Jedi all along, Leia taught me the ways of the Force". Not every character needs to be a Sith or Jedi. The beauty about Star Wars is that every main character has a very specific role to fulfill which makes them distinct and unique from one another.
C-3PO is an interpreter. Chewbacca is a wingman. R2D2 is a swiss-army knife of tricks. Han is a rouge smuggler. Luke is a farmboy turned Jedi Knight. Leia is a warrior princess for the rebellion.
Make them all lightsaber wielding Jedi knights and suddenly they all become less special, which is why Luke is the only one out of those. Even Leia who is force sensitive doesn't become a Jedi in the OT (or even VII). But back with Finn, the guy has training to be a stormtrooper (in sanitation, no less...). Presumably there are no lightsabers to get, but he might have melee training as indicated in one of the fights later when he fends off a trooper with a melee weapon.
All that being said, what makes him qualified to hold his own against a
Sith-in-Training? Rey only makes more sense because she's more attuned with the Force and she's shown (very briefly) to hold her own with a staff. She faltered a bit on her first encounter, but after that magical awakening, she managed to come back strong.
But that very detail not only makes the battle implausible, but it also makes Kylo Ren out to be a joke. If Finn started to fight a little and then gets his ass kicked in mere seconds, it would've been more believable. And if they wanted to indicate Finn might also be force sensitive, they had plenty of opportunity to indicate it. Doing it later will seem like an afterthought.
Riku Rose wrote:People also seem pissed at how quick Rey became handy with a lightsaber but Luke was hardly put through any training. He deflects some bullets off that robot in New Hope and hangs out with Yoda for a day. When he goes back in Jedi the way he talks to Yoda doesn't make it sound like he went back between Empire and Jedi. My theory after seeing the film was that Anakin and Luke's lightsaber awoke the force within her.
Luke had Obi-wan training him on the Falcon and telling him how to harness the power of the force. Granted, it was just mostly him saying "just trust your feelings" alot but it was still something. Luke had the power already and just needed to be shown how to tap into it by a master.
Yoda training him for a day was enough to hold his own for the fight against Vader, but Vader still kicked his ass. Some time passes between Empire and Jedi, though it's not known how much has, so it's possible Luke learned more on his own if not with Yoda. If he knew enough to build his own lightsaber and to be considered a Jedi Knight, then that's adequate enough. It really shows a gradual progression and with Episode VII leading into VIII, I expect him to be even more powerful now.
Rey instantly learning after touching a lightsaber when earlier in the same day she thought the Jedi and Luke was a myth? Lazy writing.