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Re: Feminism

Postby Thief » Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:19 pm

/summon Mue_26

that should work.
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Re: Feminism

Postby Three Blades » Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:48 am

south carmain wrote: I really don't share Himuro's views on this argument however I have to admit that three blades's comebacks have been incredibly weak.


"Comeback" to what? There was nothing of value to "come back" to to begin with, all he/she/it did was post a sarcastic brain dead vapid comment with a gif of a giggly girl.
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Re: Feminism

Postby shredingskin » Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:54 am

Himuro was right tho.

That some men will settle for one of those brain deads is worth of mockery.

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It's sad and cringe-worthy, but it's true.

You have to respect yourself if you want respect from others.
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Re: Feminism

Postby Three Blades » Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:07 am

Hum... I was the one who said that betas will settle for a feminist instead of a proper woman.
That's what cause he/she/it to get butthurt in the first place and call over it's boyfriend Peedle the white knight.
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Re: Feminism

Postby shredingskin » Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:18 am

You were right in saying that, and himuro was right in saying that it was worth of mockery. I don't see the discussion.
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Re: Feminism

Postby Three Blades » Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:42 am

I thought he (she? I don't know) was saying that what *I* said was worthy of mockery... but if you're right, I apologize for the misunderstanding :???: (if you read it again, you gotta admit it can be interpreted either way)...
Either way, no reason to get butthurt and drag white knights into it. Can't we carry on peacefully? [-o<
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Re: Feminism

Postby shredingskin » Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:44 am

You know gender studies are bullshit when a porn star and an ex dominatrix can have a real discussion on psychology, but universities need to ban comedians.

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Re: Feminism

Postby Himuro » Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:31 pm

That comment is hyperbolic. It's a video on google hangouts with a youtube view count of 5,000. Who cares? Because she's a porn star, that means she can't talk about things like psychology? Uh, ok. What does this have to do with comedians? Seems like a highly reactionary and hyperbolic comment over a fucking Google Hangout vid of two pals talking uploaded to Youtube for public viewing.

Pathetic.

Three Blades wrote: I thought he (she? I don't know) was saying that what *I* said was worthy of mockery... but if you're right, I apologize for the misunderstanding :???: (if you read it again, you gotta admit it can be interpreted either way)...
Either way, no reason to get butthurt and drag white knights into it. Can't we carry on peacefully? [-o<


This is what you said.

Unfortunately, there is no shortage of beta-male white-knights who will gladly settle for feminist scum because they don't have the confidence to go and get themselves a proper woman.


There's a lot of things wrong with this comment. I'll go through some of them.

1. Calling any sort of guy you disagree with a "beta male white knight". That's a pretty large accusation, but more than that, it puts yourself on a pedestal of superiority. What makes you so superior, Mr. Alpha Male? Men who tend to use the beta / alpha line of description tend to be complete jokes, anyways. As if to ascribe any tendency or personality or flaw in different types of guy can separate the two between beta and alpha. Going by your logic, a man who cries is probably a beta. A man who watches sports is probably an alpha. The idea is silly because it purports the general ideation that there is a "pure man", or at least, as pure of a man can be, which is bullshit. Men of that type are perfectly willing to throw anyone who supports women's rights under the bus as "man haters", but at the same time, are absolutely fine with labeling any man they disagree with as inferior, or a beta.

Cognitive dissonance rears its ugly head. Post a pic of yourself, supposed Alpha Male. Even using the term "beta male white knights" is worthy of mockery, but you didn't stop there.

2. "Feminist scum". Going by your posts in this thread, a lot of things could be construed as being "feminist scum" to you. Merely asserting rights to one's body could be consider feminist, going by your own words in this thread. You might even think a woman who is pro-birth control is a feminist. You might think women who think they should have equal a chance as men are feminist. Fact is, due to the 60's and 70's women's revolution, many women have and hold at least some feminist ideals. So which are you going to disagree with? This gives off the idea that you have never dated a woman, much less fucked one. Quite a pathetic comment. As for settling for this supposed feminist scum? That's laughable.

3. "because they don't have the confidence to go and get themselves a proper woman." Again, you have labeled what is proper and not proper in personality expression mere to gender. What is a "proper woman"? You may not agree with feminists, even I don't always agree with feminists, but in no way are they not proper women. Just the mere suggestion that there is a kind of proper woman you approve of reeks of childish romancification that holds nothing in the realm of reality.

There's layers and layers of this post worthy of mockery. It was a stupid post. Own up to it. But worst of all is its furious projection on entire swaths of people. It reeks of little man syndrome and despite calling specific men "beta's" your diatribe gives off the vibe that you're a weasel who can't even talk to women, much less date them.

Pathetic.
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Re: Feminism

Postby Himuro » Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:48 pm

Three Blades wrote: Hum... I was the one who said that betas will settle for a feminist instead of a proper woman.
That's what cause he/she/it to get butthurt in the first place and call over it's boyfriend Peedle the white knight.


This is where I raise a point of objection.

You do not ever call me or another human being as it. Especially because I am transgender.

Reported. I should be able to post on the Dojo without someone insulting me because of who I am.
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Re: Feminism

Postby Peter » Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:33 pm

Reports looked at, closed, and PMs sent.

Keep in mind we are adults now, so please post with a little respect to everyone on the forums. Opinions and facts can combine into grey areas and get confused, but if people at least post in a respectful manner, then we have no problems.

It's been discussed about locking this topic more than once, but like I said, we are adults, and it shouldn't be locked if there is logical and respectful activity in it. But any more arguments and it gets shut.

Stay classy Shenmue Dojo :nice!:

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Re: Feminism

Postby shredingskin » Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:42 pm

I don't see the hyperbole on pointing it out that banning comedians because some people don't like their humor is childish at best.

It's funny how some people talk about equality, but are condescending and segregative.
Talk about empowerment but try to ban words they don't like. Maybe I'm the only one that thinks "not getting hurt" by words is actual power.
They talk about cultural diversity, but put some cultures ahead of others and try to mantain them appart (something that actually stagnates evolution).

Everyone knows that when you feel you know something makes you feel good, but shutting up discussion to mantain that status quo of "we all know better" it's pretty much shutting your ears and singing, If you don't want your ideas challenged means that you are unwilling to grow, how is that a good thing at all ? This just ends up making weakminded people, and weakminded people are more easy to rule over (you can see it now, how a lot of people are willing to censor free speech and anonimity in the internet).
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Re: Feminism

Postby Himuro » Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:07 pm

Where is all of this about shutting down discussion? Where have I ever gleamed in shutting down discussion? It's hyperbole because you got that diatribe about cultural equality and shit from a video with two people talking, which you probably didn't even watch. What's this about comedians? Seems like a random tangent. What does a porn star and some other chick talking on google hangouts and uploaded to youtube to public viewing have anything to do with colleges not inviting comedians? How is that not hyperbole? Seems like paranoia hysterics to me.

You talk about condescending and segregation when you openly trolled just a few pages ago, no? So clearly this isn't just a manner of debate from just one side?

Sorry, but the random diatribe without one shred of context as to what you're talking about, how you came to those conclusions, while ranting about cultural equality and segregation makes you come off as a loon. Especially when it's after posting a Google Hangout Youtube vid. It's like, who cares? Most people wouldn't give a shit and would just ignore it if it doesn't interest them. Instead, you openly post the link, and go on about society, as if you're threatened by two women talking on Google Hangouts in a youtube video. And apparently that fact alone makes gender studies, as a whole, bullshit to you. But apparently that's not hyperbole.

Comes off as mighty threatened and unnecessarily paranoid.
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Re: Feminism

Postby shredingskin » Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:33 pm

There has been a lot of speakers that were not allowed in different colleges for being "too risque" (most funnilly Seinfeld, that is as tart as... tart I guess). What does it has to do ? That two random people just rambling around can have a more open conversation than people who should be open to debate and new ideas.

The things about policing language instead of saying "grow the fuck up",

And yeah, I'm condescending and a troll, but I'm not the one that has a flag of not being that. I might be a troll, but SJW are hypocrites (or just ignorant, I try not to input malice were things could be just caused by stupidity).

BTW, if you looked at the video (that you ignorantly supposed I didn't watch), they talk about how racist SJW, condescending to every culture, language police, hate for women that are sexual, that ties with pretty much what I said.

Things like "cultural appropiation" it's just hilarious, culture doesn't belongs to anybody (well, IP does, but this is not the case). And is always changing, the latest bloom of culture was when african americans got their hands on european instruments. Imagine how sad would have been if people said "don't mix cultures".

And you get just condescending people that say "you can't use a kimono" and "we can't have tacos" because it's racist while mexicans and japanese don't give a shit. The only "empowerment" there is in that is for the idiots that trip thinking they're the saviours of the lesser (that's what they think, infered from their actions).

Again if this joke it's THAT offensive to people:
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Then you need to reevaluate how weakminded are you.
Probably are not gays that give a shit about the joke, just some random people thinking they should protect "the inferior" gays. They do that to feel good about themselves, nothing more.

You want to be offended ?
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Oh btw if you need to be "proud" of something you didn't have anything to do (like being born in X place, or have X race), you better start doing something with your live, because you are looking too far out of yourself to have something to be proud of.
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Re: Feminism

Postby Three Blades » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:31 pm

This is where I raise a point of objection.

You do not ever call me or another human being as it. Especially because I am transgender.


:rotflmao:

This is where I start to disregard everything that comes out of your mouth.
I think I will call people what I want, especially when you are the one who started the insults out of butthurt.


Reported. I should be able to post on the Dojo without someone insulting me because of who I am

Likewise. I ain't gonna put you on a pedestal because you're a nutcase who sliced his dick off. Stop talking to me and I'll refrain from calling you a freak.
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Re: Feminism

Postby Himuro » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:44 pm

shredingskin wrote: There has been a lot of speakers that were not allowed in different colleges for being "too risque" (most funnilly Seinfeld, that is as tart as... tart I guess). What does it has to do ? That two random people just rambling around can have a more open conversation than people who should be open to debate and new ideas.

The things about policing language instead of saying "grow the fuck up",

And yeah, I'm condescending and a troll, but I'm not the one that has a flag of not being that. I might be a troll, but SJW are hypocrites (or just ignorant, I try not to input malice were things could be just caused by stupidity).

BTW, if you looked at the video (that you ignorantly supposed I didn't watch), they talk about how racist SJW, condescending to every culture, language police, hate for women that are sexual, that ties with pretty much what I said.

Things like "cultural appropiation" it's just hilarious, culture doesn't belongs to anybody (well, IP does, but this is not the case). And is always changing, the latest bloom of culture was when african americans got their hands on european instruments. Imagine how sad would have been if people said "don't mix cultures".

And you get just condescending people that say "you can't use a kimono" and "we can't have tacos" because it's racist while mexicans and japanese don't give a shit. The only "empowerment" there is in that is for the idiots that trip thinking they're the saviours of the lesser (that's what they think, infered from their actions).

Again if this joke it's THAT offensive to people:
phpBB [video]

Then you need to reevaluate how weakminded are you.
Probably are not gays that give a shit about the joke, just some random people thinking they should protect "the inferior" gays. They do that to feel good about themselves, nothing more.

You want to be offended ?
phpBB [video]


Oh btw if you need to be "proud" of something you didn't have anything to do (like being born in X place, or have X race), you better start doing something with your live, because you are looking too far out of yourself to have something to be proud of.


1. You say that Jerry Seinfeld and the people not invited to colleges means that the people who don't want them aren't open to debate and new ideas, while at the same time post a video of Jerry Seinfeld complaining about how people are too pc, showing he's not open to new ideas or even debate. Since people have different ideas than Jerry, apparently that means they're "too pc" rather than considering their viewpoint. In any case, both sides are equally incapable of going at this tunnel visioned and not trying to understand one another. Such is human nature. Plus, you're not even American, as far as I know, so I'm not sure why American colleges doing this even remotely concerns you.

2. Not all "SJW's" are the same. You talked about earlier how people are willing to group different people in different categories and place societal hierarchies, and discriminate, when you're perfectly willing to label anything that resembles social justice as a bad thing by labeling them "SJW's" because you disagree with them. Somehow, social justice is a bad thing now, in your eyes. Yet you talk of hypocrisy. You openly admit to being a troll, but bemoan a lack of transparency and open debate, and perfectly fine with throwing anyone who disagrees with you as an SJW. The hypocrite is you.

3. I am not going to use the term SJW going forward. I only use it ironically. I think anyone who labels people who, with good intentions for making things better for others, as an inherently bad thing, are on the wrong foot. In any case, some people definitely take it too far. But everyone always takes things too far. Does this mean that this makes all causes not worth fighting for, because there are hypocrites and extremists in the fringes? No. That's ludicrous. That said, it's quite true that there are some troublesome people who do this. The other day I volunteered for an equality Ordinance in my city and some guy gave off the idea that the only reason I should be around is because it allows them to tick off boxes for diversity and that I'm just a number. Did that color my opinion of him? Yes. Did it color my opinion of the entire Equality Ordinance volunteer team? Hell no. It's just one guy, and it would be highly foolish to think that.

4. I didn't watch the video. I'm not being hypocritical at all. I don't give a fuck about that video. I don't even know who the hell they are. Why should I dedicate my two hours to people I don't know and I don't know what subject they're discussing?

5. Your idea of cultural appropriation is quite incorrect. Cultural appropriation is when the dominant culture steals culture from others and claims it to be their culture or their creation. It's a problematic occurrence because it has deep roots in colonialism. It's problematic because it has people making jokes at other peoples expense. It's problematic because it erases peoples experiences and culture. I've experienced a lot of this, for instance, in the Buddhist scene, which has a lot of people dismissing Asian Buddhists as inferior because they practice Buddhism differently, without the recognition that they're practicing an Asian religion. They now claim Buddhism as there's and there's alone. Wearing kimonos are not inherently bad. But going to a Japanese Buddhist Zen Center, where mostly white people are in attendance, and a bunch of white women wearing kimonos and dressed like geisha, think that something that's something related to Zen - when it doesn't - simply because Zen is Japanese created, yeah, that's a problem. Whoever said that someone can't have taco's is being silly, though. You say Mexicans and Japanese don't give a shit, when Japanese have and many Asians have historically said there's a huge problem with treating their culture as a costume. Japanese definitely give a shit when random white women wear kimonos like it's a costume.

6. I agree that a lot of socially conscious white people have a problem with "saving the helpless minority" thing. It's quite sad and insulting. Right now in the USA we've got Bernie Sanders and a lot of white people are telling us Black folks to vote for him because "he's the best for you". It's quite condescending, and factors into that thing I talked about earlier where many only see racial minorities as just numbers to flex their agenda. But there's also many caring socially conscious white people. The problem with what you're doing is that you have filed all people who believe one way under an entire category, and think they all behave the same. It's quite regressive and adds nothing to bridging human communication. Still, many of us Black people and other minorities in America already recognize the hypocrisy, and don't need help pointing it out. We talk about it all the time. Pretty old news, but that doesn't mean it's fair to judge all people the same. Instead you should do so on a case by case basis.

But yeah, what you're referring to as the Great Progressive Hypocrisy, is nothing new, as you can read here: http://rhrealitycheck.org/ablc/2015/08/ ... ogressive/

But it shouldn't color your feelings of ALL people who lean in that direction.

In general though, I find the bulk of your talking points to be nothing more than projection and a lot of large assumptions.

You would do a lot better talking and attempting to understand than making those assumptions. O:)
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