Master Kyodai wrote:If you refer to the 7th July 2005 London bombings (My guess is that you're from the UK), then it might be new to you that 3 of the 4 terrorists were actually born in the UK. So what is your suggestion here?
ISIS have announced to destroy America, they announced they will soon rule the world. So we let millions of refugees die to be safe? Is that the solution? The way you argue is already a success for ISIS.
So you know a handful of people from Syria and these could come? And all the others not? Did you tell that your friends from Syria? If they still wanna be counted as your friends after you tell them that then they can sure take a lot. How many "unknown syrians" have threatened your security so far? What's your solution? Throwing them into the ocean? Good news: Many of them are so desperate they do that themselves. Somewhere around 20,000 people drowned in the Mediterranean Sea in the past 18 month, maybe even more. More than the whole population in my whole town. Keeps you secure i guess? Maybe one of them was a terrorist? We'll never know.
Maybe you're not a racist. maybe you're just cold hearted and really don't care if people die somewhere else. Reminds me a bit of that old Samn n Max computer game, where you throw a bomb out of the window and the dialog is like "Oh hopefully noone was in that bus!" "Yeah at least noone we know". If your friends from Syria, the christian and muslim ones would die on their way to Britain, would you spill a tear? Or would it just be victims 20001, 20002 and 20003?
If you mention the Dublin Regulation here I am 100% sure you either never read it or never understood it. Dublin III actually basically says that the state where a refugee files for asylum has to decide about it and if they travel to another state after filing asylum at one state they will be returned to the original state where they filed their application. Hungary was NOT forcing people to file for asylum there they were PISSED that so many people made the mistake to file for asylum there and thus were returned to Hungary later on if they traveled to another country. Hungary does NOT want people to fill an asylum application in Hungary, that is probably the main reason why they closed their borders. If they would instead just have properly explained refugees the background of Dublin III and the situation in Hungary I am sure VERY few would have filled any application there.
Yes and thousands of people following the same extremist ideology are entering Europe pretending to be refugees so seeing that we have experience with people following extremist islam (not to be confused with moderate muslims) I know how horrifying their attacks can be. Seeing that these people were safe in Turkey I can't justify the risk of people being killed even if it means that the majority will have better living standards. Lone wolf attacks are already on the rise in Europe and when they get even worse due to extremists taking advantage of the situation I hope you can justify it to the families of victims how letting in hundreds of thousands of undocumented men was worth it.
My Syrian friends actually share my stance on this. One is going to go to Turkey soon since ISIS are approaching their area but has no intention of going further because they will be safe there. Also I'm not against taking in refugees and share my governments stance of taking the most vulnerable from the camps as they are documented and need help the most, I'm also not against the fact that my government has sent hundreds of millions of dollars to help them and plans on sending billions in total. Keep on calling me a racist though, I'm sure that will make you right. Also the majority die entering through Libya while I'm talking about those entering from the east.
These people aren't dying in Turkey either so that point is moot.
The Dublin convention states that refugees must register in the first EU country they enter. And Hungary was forcing people to apply for asylum there hence why they stopped the trains to Austria at a refugee camp, even when they closed their borders Asylum seekers could still enter the country through official checkpoints however it meant they had to register in Hungary.