Politics

[Mr. Frozen]

Curious why those of Shenmue Dojo who support Trump. Whether you voted for him or you're not American and still support his policies, I'm curious why you support him. Are you worried about anything in particular regarding his administration? What are you looking forward to? How would you rate their first few weeks in office?

Not a judgement at all but curious to know and hoping we can come to some kind of understanding.

I voted for him because I want the US to start giving a shit about it's people and domestic issues instead of prolonging bullshit wars. The main thing I am worried about Trump is unintended consequences of his aggressive policies. However, a lot of those consequences will be a result of the democratic party wanting to bury him instead of working with him, I think.

I love that Trump has made good on his campaign promises so fast, which is something I haven't seen any politician do in my lifetime.

[Himuro]

Curious why those of Shenmue Dojo who support Trump. Whether you voted for him or you're not American and still support his policies, I'm curious why you support him. Are you worried about anything in particular regarding his administration? What are you looking forward to? How would you rate their first few weeks in office?

Not a judgement at all but curious to know and hoping we can come to some kind of understanding.

I voted for him because I want the US to start giving a shit about it's people and domestic issues instead of prolonging bullshit wars. The main thing I am worried about Trump is unintended consequences of his aggressive policies. However, a lot of those consequences will be a result of the democratic party wanting to bury him instead of working with him, I think.

I love that Trump has made good on his campaign promises so fast, which is something I haven't seen any politician do in my lifetime.

That makes sense. It drives me crazy how democrats thought everything was just fine at home. But the problem is that things aren't looking better at home either and the country is even further divided.

[south carmain]

Is World War 3 such a bad thing though?

[St. Elmo's Fire]

Well like I said, I am from the UK so it doesn't affect me, but I definitely don't agree with all of his stuff. Society being more "free" (abortions, gay marriage, better medicare, etc.) under Hilary would definitely have been something I'd have taken notice of and been in favour of. But as before, that doesn't affect me, and wars do.

If "more of the same" is the formula (and BOTH sides of your establishment are equally as bad for the stuff we're discussing here, as are the ones in the UK), then doing something drastic to attempt a change is understandable.

The others said pretty much what I was gonna. But as for war with China, well, I'm not a fan of being aggressive to them either, or them back to us, but at least they only have about 10% of the number of nukes that Russia does!
A boots on the ground war would be disastrous, though yes, the money men and associated other zillionaires would probably still do well out of it. I think staying the hell away from the Middle East with the shit levels we're now stooping to would be great too. Spend American taxpayer's money on the taxpayer and not the military or various underhanded schemes across the globe. In my view, even if they actually were being pure and honest about their reasons for altering places ("ermahgerd we need to kill the dictator! they need democracy! Think of the children!" etc.), it STILL wouldn't be worth it since the end result is invariably multiple times worse than the existing one was! Is it true that since trying to "fight terror" after 9/11, it's actually a bigger threat these days?

Senator John McCain needs to be thrown back down a hole, too.

EDIT: I liked Bernie a lot more than I liked Hilary, and if he'd been chosen, he could probably have won quite easily since he never really had a lot of scandal surrounding him like The Donald and like Hilary and some of her underlings had...
I quite liked Jill Stein too, she seemed intelligent and about as close to "normal" as a politician can get, basic common sense way of talking that engaged since it sounded like it was relatively BS-free.

[south carmain]

I liked Bernie too, I agreed with him on a lot of things concerning both foreign and local policies but his character seemed a little weak to be the president of a country like the US so had he been elected I don't really know how far he would have gotten with his policies unfortunately.

[Himuro]

Is World War 3 such a bad thing though?

Considering 70 million people died in WW2, I'm not sure how you could possibly ask this with a straight face.

Well like I said, I am from the UK so it doesn't affect me, but I definitely don't agree with all of his stuff. Society being more "free" (abortions, gay marriage, better medicare, etc.) under Hilary would definitely have been something I'd have taken notice of and been in favour of. But as before, that doesn't affect me, and wars do.

I'm not entirely quite convinced it doesn't affect you, especially in light of Brexit and Le Pen. If the USA rolls back on those things, while the type of rhetoric is being popularized, those things could also come to Europe.

Fair enough regarding the other points. I voted for Stein in 2012. The problem with Stein is that she believes in conspiracy theories. She thinks wi-fi gives people cancer and that vaccinations causes autism.

[south carmain]

Is World War 3 such a bad thing though?

Considering 70 million people died in WW2

Stop it I can only get so excited.

[St. Elmo's Fire]

I'm not entirely quite convinced it doesn't affect you, especially in light of Brexit and Le Pen. If the USA rolls back on those things, while the type of rhetoric is being popularized, those things could also come to Europe.

Fair enough regarding the other points. I voted for Stein in 2012. The problem with Stein is that she believes in conspiracy theories. She thinks wi-fi gives people cancer and that vaccinations causes autism.

Nah, the UK will never go down a "ban abortions" route. There just aren't enough religious people here to make anyone care too much about it. Same with gay marriage, there are probably quite a few bigot types who are against it, but for the most part gay people are highly accepted into society and banning one of their rights would not go down well with most people.
NHS is crumbling, yes, but the stereotype of the Conservatives (who are in power just now) wanting to chip at away at it has been a threat/part-conspiracy for as long as I've been alive. Pretty much EVERYONE here (and in most of Europe I imagine) places great importance in having an NHS/state health service, as well as our other state benefits, we're taxed a lot to provide it, so we'd like to see our taxes actually go to where WE want it, not to some war somewhere which will do us no good, which is part of why I rant about stuff like this! WE should be first, since in theory they're meant to be serving us by attempting to use our taxes wisely, so any politician coming out and trying to get votes on an "I'll abolish the NHS!" pledge would be committing career suicide!
British people and American people are alike in quite a lot of ways, and we generally like quite a lot of the same sorts of things, but MAN your politics and society seems like it can be pretty damned harsh and nasty compared to what we are used to here. Your "right" is WAY different and in fact quite extreme in some cases compared to what our political "right" would ever consider, and the supporters for each side having their internet arguments have some pretty crazy zealots compared to what we're used to on UK news articles too, it's often even worse than what you may see in the comments section of say a Liverpool vs Man Utd football thread, which can be pretty bad too...

[Himuro]

Yeah, NHS was what I had in mind regarding UK losing freedoms.

I will say that I apologize for my countrymen for our extreme nature. I'm not sure how it got this way. But we are extreme in a lot of respects and not just politics, for better or for worse. We carry our heart on our sleeves and have for centuries. i think it's a symptom of the fact that no one is honestly satisfied with the landscape so we latch onto what we have. I don't know if there's a solution but it's partly why I'm reaching out here despite being furiously anti-Trump. The partisanship has tainted America for too long and I need to understand why. But I can't reach out without trying to understand the opposite view. I'm trying to start reaching out online and hopefully soon I'll start doing so in real life. I have neighbors who are Trump supporters and I want to talk to them face to face. I'm not naive enough that I think I can change things alone but if we don't stop treating parties like football teams then we are fucked. It also helps that I'm not democrat but I'm a socialist so that could be a point against me during these talks but I figure I need to be as open-minded as possible to learn the opposing views points more.

[SMDzero]

Considering 70 million people died in WW2, I'm not sure how you could possibly ask this with a straight face.

That figure is inaccurate.

The real number is 47 million.

And keep in mind that figure is split over two different wars.

Fortunately, if WW3 is ever announced then there will be a lot less casualties due to the advances in technology.

[JohnBlack]

Considering 70 million people died in WW2, I'm not sure how you could possibly ask this with a straight face.

That figure is inaccurate.

The real number is 47 million.

And keep in mind that figure is split over two different wars.

Fortunately, if WW3 is ever announced then there will be a lot less casualties due to the advances in technology.

WW3 is gonna be nuclear war, so i bet there will be a lot more casualties.

[Hyo Razuki]

And those 47 million even include the victims in an earlier war, which took place on Saturn, before World War 1. Not a lot is known about that war, but there is some video footage of it which people discovered after finishing World War 2.

[Ziming]

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[St. Elmo's Fire]

Yeah, NHS was what I had in mind regarding UK losing freedoms.

I will say that I apologize for my countrymen for our extreme nature. I'm not sure how it got this way. But we are extreme in a lot of respects and not just politics, for better or for worse. We carry our heart on our sleeves and have for centuries. i think it's a symptom of the fact that no one is honestly satisfied with the landscape so we latch onto what we have. I don't know if there's a solution but it's partly why I'm reaching out here despite being furiously anti-Trump. The partisanship has tainted America for too long and I need to understand why. But I can't reach out without trying to understand the opposite view. I'm trying to start reaching out online and hopefully soon I'll start doing so in real life. I have neighbors who are Trump supporters and I want to talk to them face to face. I'm not naive enough that I think I can change things alone but if we don't stop treating parties like football teams then we are fucked. It also helps that I'm not democrat but I'm a socialist so that could be a point against me during these talks but I figure I need to be as open-minded as possible to learn the opposing views points more.

Nothing for YOU to apologise for really, as long as you're at least willing to discuss it, like you have been here, then you're on pretty much the right track!

PS. Sorry I didn't reply to that other stuff you asked for earlier (Clinton talking scarily about nuking Iran and Russia), it's been buried under a whole load of other YT stuff and now I can't find it. It wasn't a fake made by RT though, it was a clip of her talking on some American political or news show. It was basically her talking in a way that even a neocon republican could only ever publicly do in his WETTEST dreams though...

[shredingskin]

I don't like Trump TBH, a lot of his measures seem very counterproductive in my perspective (stop regulations on coal, lack of care for climate change, expensive wall to solve what's barely a problem, less taxes to big companies with little incentive to stop producing in the exterior).

There are a couple of things I like (reducing the taxes on the lowest tax bracket and little-mid bussiness, less warmongering than clinton [but who knows], making the other guys defend themselves), the focus on public urban development (though it will depend on how economy goes). And hopefully he'll stop the aid to Israel and the arms relationship with SA.

And there are things that I'm in the middle that could go bad like devaluating the dollar, stop taking refugees that they made (although it's a good economic choice), increasing taxes on imported goods, and always having a restrictionary economy will carry some sanctions (let's see), his new "plan" for public healthcare (that my guess is he doesn't really know).

I just find it hillarious, specially the media, and as a by-stander I find it fascinating the new wave of nationalism that it's growing. Also he pretty much went straight away on the bullshit that he said on his campaign in pretty much 2 weeks, that's something almost unpresedented in politics lol.

A WW3 would do wonders for Argentina's economy though :(