The Mysterious Scroll

[Mr357]

I'm sure I'm not the first to come to this realization, but the scroll you find behind the banner in the dojo is of the Tiger Swallow style. This means that the only two characters we know of that could teach Ryo the move are Master Baihu and Lan f***ing Di. Either Ryo will meet another master (possibly in Bailou or Meng Cun) who can teach him the move, or he will have to learn it from one of the two previously mentioned villains. Was it that leg move Baihu uses before fighting Ryo? I seem to recall Ryo using it to defeat Baihu, but the game never tells you that you learned it, nor does anything happen with the scroll.

[TwiceFriedRice]

I didn't know this. Where is that quoted text from?

[joka]

Guys check out the S3 preview/research thread below- you'll see a topic about the scroll- Lan DC found some real interesting unused stuff ;)

http://www.shenmuedojo.net/forum/viewto ... on#p915658


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[Frayed]

I'd like to know where the quoted text is from as well - is it an official source?

When Ryo learns the Demon's Triangle from Xiuying in Hong Kong, she mentions that this move is one of the 'Eight Major Moves' （八大招, ba1da4zhao1） of Bajiquan, and it would be reasonable to deduce that the move from the Mysterious Scroll is also one of these. Going by its poetic description as translated by Guizhang, it is most likely the move “猛虎硬爬山” (meng2hu3ying4pa2shan1), or "Fierce Tiger Climbs The Mountain":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2St3k5-CetU

As for Lan Di's twin-palm move, it is also used by Baihu (although in his hands it is a pretty weak attack, Baihu being nothing more than a streetfighter on the level of Greg More, Rod Stunt and Chunyan), and the fighting styles of both of these characters derive from that of Lau in Virtua Fighter. In Lau's moveset this move is given as 燕子掌 (Japanese: enshishou), meaning Swallow Palm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2Y4whmZ9o0

(The move appears near the end - the "Ko-en-ken" [虎燕拳] mentioned by Lau is the Japanese pronunciation of Tiger Swallow Style.)

So to sum up, I don't believe they are the same move.

[Mr357]

The text is from the Shenmue Wiki. I guess it may or may not be accurate. Regardless, I suspect that the original master of the scroll is someone in one of the Guilin villages, Baihu, or Sunming Zhao (could be Baihu, based on a specific theory).

[Supa]

Baihu is much more than just a street fighter, we know this for fact. When David Deville interviewed Yu Suzuki (http://shenmuedojo.net/new/extras/interview1114.html), he told him something about Baihu. He wouldn't say what, but I know David mentioned it briefly in the thread about the interview for sure.


It has been discussed before on here, but David also commented on 500k about the poetry scroll:
"About mysterious scroll, from archives it seems like the move is : "Mouko Kouhazan"

And guess who's using that move ? Akira !

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/ ... uhazan.jpg"

[MaxTheRabbit]

now I kinda wish I'd voted for Baihu in the poll..

[Frayed]

Baihu is much more than just a street fighter, we know this for fact...

Ah, the nostalgia of discussing this...

Whatever was said about Baihu (and it could have just been that the fanbase theories, e.g. that he was Ziming Hong, were wrong), his role in the series is that of the fourth Kowloon streetfighter after Greg More, Rod Stunt and Chunyan. Permit me to indulge in a little more nostalgia and link to the first topic I posted discussing this:

http://www.shenmuedojo.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12337&p=318582&hilit=frayed#p318582

LanDC also found much more evidence for Baihu's role from unused game files:

http://www.shenmuedojo.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24098&p=561258&hilit=exceeds#p561258

BTW, "Mouko-kouhazan" is just the Japanese pronunciation of the Chinese characters in "meng2 hu3 ying4 pa2 shan1" (猛虎硬爬山). As you say, again we can find this move by going back to Virtua Fighter, same as with Lan Di/Lau's twin-palm move used to kill Iwao.

Looking forward to Shenmue III and the end of our long speculations on this series!

[Supa]

David Deville, otherwise known as aizen59 (I believe), interivewed Yu Suzuki here: http://shenmuedojo.net/new/extras/interview1114.html

They talked about a lot more than what was discussed in the interview, stuff he was asked not to publish. Some of it was about Baihu, who David claims is much more than a street fighter. See this thread: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=47219&start=15#p1077456

I think he said it for a fact on 500k, so if you want, I can find that post. Baihu is more than the 4th street fighter.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

David Deville, otherwise known as aizen59 (I believe), interivewed Yu Suzuki here: http://shenmuedojo.net/new/extras/interview1114.html

They talked about a lot more than what was discussed in the interview, stuff he was asked not to publish. Some of it was about Baihu, who David claims is much more than a street fighter. See this thread: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=47219&start=15#p1077456

I think he said it for a fact on 500k, so if you want, I can find that post. Baihu is more than the 4th street fighter.

Indeed, I remember that thread well when I was lurking; glued to it for one whole day, re-reading and looking crap up!

[drunkensailor]

Baihu is much more than just a street fighter, we know this for fact...

Ah, the nostalgia of discussing this...

Whatever was said about Baihu (and it could have just been that the fanbase theories, e.g. that he was Ziming Hong, were wrong), his role in the series is that of the fourth Kowloon streetfighter after Greg More, Rod Stunt and Chunyan. Permit me to indulge in a little more nostalgia and link to the first topic I posted discussing this:

http://www.shenmuedojo.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12337&p=318582&hilit=frayed#p318582

LanDC also found much more evidence for Baihu's role from unused game files:

http://www.shenmuedojo.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24098&p=561258&hilit=exceeds#p561258

BTW, "Mouko-kouhazan" is just the Japanese pronunciation of the Chinese characters in "meng2 hu3 ying4 pa2 shan1" (猛虎硬爬山). As you say, again we can find this move by going back to Virtua Fighter, same as with Lan Di/Lau's twin-palm move used to kill Iwao.

Looking forward to Shenmue III and the end of our long speculations on this series!

suzuki has confirmed in interviews master baihu is a very important character in shenmue storyline

[Frayed]

I did read those interviews, but Deville was sworn to secrecy and didn't say anything definite, although the fact that he talks about Baihu at all might indicate something. Regarding Baihu's fighting strength which was the original subject of reference, I don't think there's any grounds for debate: the guy is beaten by Ryo like the other streetfighters, and implied to be less of a challenge than Dou Niu. As for whether he will play some other role in the story, luckily we do not have to rely on speculation, but will soon be able to find out one way or another...

[Supa]

Baihu is much more than just a street fighter, we know this for fact...

Ah, the nostalgia of discussing this...

Whatever was said about Baihu (and it could have just been that the fanbase theories, e.g. that he was Ziming Hong, were wrong), his role in the series is that of the fourth Kowloon streetfighter after Greg More, Rod Stunt and Chunyan. Permit me to indulge in a little more nostalgia and link to the first topic I posted discussing this:

http://www.shenmuedojo.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12337&p=318582&hilit=frayed#p318582

LanDC also found much more evidence for Baihu's role from unused game files:

http://www.shenmuedojo.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24098&p=561258&hilit=exceeds#p561258

BTW, "Mouko-kouhazan" is just the Japanese pronunciation of the Chinese characters in "meng2 hu3 ying4 pa2 shan1" (猛虎硬爬山). As you say, again we can find this move by going back to Virtua Fighter, same as with Lan Di/Lau's twin-palm move used to kill Iwao.

Looking forward to Shenmue III and the end of our long speculations on this series!

suzuki has confirmed in interviews master baihu is a very important character in shenmue storyline

I don't think he has ever confirmed it in interviews, but David definitely said something along the lines of "if Baihu isn't coming back, then Lan Di is a kitten" or something.