Shenmue III Update #67: Developer Room Update 3

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Re: Shenmue III Update #67: Developer Room Update 3

Postby Peter » Tue May 30, 2017 5:57 pm

darksniper wrote:
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darksniper wrote: Bring up other games all you like, but this is Shenmue's aesthetic and arguably always has been.
I don't even know why you're here if you want Shenmue to be Yakuza that bad.


Wow. Just wow...Just put your own "fact" and question the user for beeing here....this is not the right way to react to critism or other opinions. He does not want Shenmue be Yakuza. He wants the character style of Yakuza and I do agree.



I'm glad that Spaghetti is not a mod here. He's the type of person that would ban someone for having a different opinion than his, and then forcefeed his own opinions as absolute truth.


But to be clear I didn't write that post. That was Spaghetti who unfairly attacked my reasons for being on Shenmue Dojo.


Sorry to disappoint you, but Spaghetti is being made a moderator this evening due to all of his hard work put in over the years, his ability to make himself coherent, and with all of the bullshit ive read in this topic, more help is needed.

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Please. We don't need you and your subjective statements parading as objectivity. Keep yourself from telling me that this is the aesthetic that presents the game I grew up with and have been following at worst as long as you have. And get your head out of your ass telling people that they either agree with you or belong elsewhere.


Dont speak to anyone like this on these boards again. I wont say it twice. I made it clear in another topic that there will be zero tolerance towards over emotion during E3 season, and 30 day bans will be issued immediately.

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Re: Shenmue III Update #67: Developer Room Update 3

Postby darksniper » Tue May 30, 2017 6:03 pm

Peter wrote:
darksniper wrote:
Shenmue_Trilogy wrote:
Spaghetti wrote:
darksniper wrote: Bring up other games all you like, but this is Shenmue's aesthetic and arguably always has been.
I don't even know why you're here if you want Shenmue to be Yakuza that bad.


Wow. Just wow...Just put your own "fact" and question the user for beeing here....this is not the right way to react to critism or other opinions. He does not want Shenmue be Yakuza. He wants the character style of Yakuza and I do agree.



I'm glad that Spaghetti is not a mod here. He's the type of person that would ban someone for having a different opinion than his, and then forcefeed his own opinions as absolute truth.


But to be clear I didn't write that post. That was Spaghetti who unfairly attacked my reasons for being on Shenmue Dojo.


Sorry to disappoint you, but Spaghetti is being made a moderator this evening due to all of his hard work put in over the years, his ability to make himself coherent, and with all of the bullshit ive read in this topic, more help is needed.

ChiefNeo wrote:
Please. We don't need you and your subjective statements parading as objectivity. Keep yourself from telling me that this is the aesthetic that presents the game I grew up with and have been following at worst as long as you have. And get your head out of your ass telling people that they either agree with you or belong elsewhere.


Dont speak to anyone like this on these boards again. I wont say it twice. I made it clear in another topic that there will be zero tolerance towards over emotion during E3 season, and 30 day bans will be issued immediately.


Still, being attacked for having a different opinion about the game and being told to leave is an act out of emotion and unwarranted. That's great that he's being promoted to moderator, but I still vehemently disagree with his attacks on me, my love for Shenmue, and my opinion on the third game.
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Re: Shenmue III Update #67: Developer Room Update 3

Postby ShenSun » Tue May 30, 2017 6:04 pm

You guys just agree to disagree.

This forum is for an open discussion on Shenmue 3. All opinions are valid. Positive, negative, etc. You can agree with someones opinion or disagree with their opinion. Its all good. But for the love of Lan Di, do not go down that road where you start mildly attacking each other. That's when it turns toxic.

Play nice people and i'll allow you die like a warrior.

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Re: Shenmue III Update #67: Developer Room Update 3

Postby Shenmue_Trilogy » Tue May 30, 2017 6:05 pm

ShenSun wrote: You guys just agree to disagree.

This forum is for an open discussion on Shenmue 3. All opinions are valid. Positive, negative, etc. You can agree with someones opinion or disagree with their opinion. Its all good. But for the love of Lan Di, do not go down that road where you start mildly attacking each other. That's when it turns toxic.

Play nice people and i'll allow you die like a warrior.


Well said! =D>
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Re: Shenmue III Update #67: Developer Room Update 3

Postby Peter » Tue May 30, 2017 6:09 pm

darksniper wrote:Still, being attacked for having a different opinion about the game and being told to leave is an act out of emotion and unwarranted. That's great that he's being promoted to moderator, but I still vehemently disagree with his attacks on me, and my love for Shenmue. I won't go any further than that and will not derail the subject at hand. Carry on.



If i crack your kneecaps in public with a baseball bat, thats an attack. If i type messages threatening your family repeatedly on a message board? Attack. Arguing over Yakuza vs Shenmue, and what looks better or should look like on a message forum, well...thats just a sign that you need to take a breath, open a new tab and go pull one off over some porn. Not an attack. Skip the drama fellas.

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Re: Shenmue III Update #67: Developer Room Update 3

Postby ChiefNeo » Tue May 30, 2017 6:25 pm

Peter wrote:
darksniper wrote:Still, being attacked for having a different opinion about the game and being told to leave is an act out of emotion and unwarranted. That's great that he's being promoted to moderator, but I still vehemently disagree with his attacks on me, and my love for Shenmue. I won't go any further than that and will not derail the subject at hand. Carry on.



If i crack your kneecaps in public with a baseball bat, thats an attack. If i type messages threatening your family repeatedly on a message board? Attack. Arguing over Yakuza vs Shenmue, and what looks better or should look like on a message forum, well...thats just a sign that you need to take a breath, open a new tab and go pull one off over some porn. Not an attack. Skip the drama fellas.



It's not? The topic is the update. We are discussing the update. Everyone in here is. I was a bit aggressive in my statement and I apologize if it offended anyone, but my sentiment that negative opinions are valid remains and he is incredibly dismissive in his rhetoric. You saying that you are making him a mod because of the "bullshit in this topic" is a bit hypocritical in that light.
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Re: Shenmue III Update #67: Developer Room Update 3

Postby O Rei do Frango Assado » Tue May 30, 2017 6:26 pm

Yeah... That looks hideous, in my opinion. However, I'll hold my judgement till I see an actual reveal of the game, with its finalized look (and, with the game not being at E3, who knows when that'll be?). As it is, though, I really dislike this character model, both design-wise and graphics-wise. This had better be VERY work-in-progress. For the love of God, I don't want to see Shenmue's characters' aesthetic turning into something like a Blizzard game, or Street Fighter IV. That alone would be enough to make me regret spending almost 200€ funding this game.

I do have hope, however, that, considering the fact that Shenmue has always had realistic-looking characters (yes, somewhat stylized, but still quite realistic, especially for its time) and that the screenshots of Shenmue 3's backgrounds we've seen so far are actually pretty realistic, the game will indeed keep an overall realistic aesthetic (and have some decent graphics for its characters, for Christ's sake! I don't expect Uncharted 4-quality character models, but I don't want to see Shenmue's Guilin populated by plastic action figures of Saturday morning cartoons). It just wouldn't make sense to suddenly forgo its realistic look, especially in Shenmue, which is a continuous saga, so consistency is important.
So, like I said, I'm keeping cool and waiting until they actually show a proper Shenmue 3 trailer, or just anything substantial that looks like a finished game.
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried about the possible cartoony (yes, that's what it is) aesthetic they might be going for the game's characters, though. Sure, I always say that Yu Suzuki knows what he's doing and that this is his baby, so he won't fuck it up with stupid, nonsensical stuff, but I used to say the same thing about Hideo Kojima and look at what he did with MGS V... Middle-age crisis can have quite an effect on some men...

As for the game skipping this E3, well, this makes it almost certain that the game will be delayed. Then again, I always found that December 2017 goal to be unrealistic.
It's a bit of a bummer that we won't see the game at E3, as obviously I'm curious to see just what Shenmue 3 will actually look like as game, since, for all intents and purposes, we still haven't really seen anything, but I can't say I mind a delay, though. In fact, from a more selfish point of view now, I even welcome it, as, by December 2017, I should still be on a several month long backpacking trip and I really wouldn't like knowing that Shenmue 3 was already at my home, waiting for me to play it, while I was travelling, and that I couldn't do it for who knows how many months more.

So, take your time, Suzuki-san! Just, at the end of it all, give us a great game that is true to Shenmue.
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Re: Shenmue III Update #67: Developer Room Update 3

Postby Himuro » Tue May 30, 2017 6:32 pm

Lurking for now, but I have not seen a single piece of this thread have anything remotely worth moderating? Why is what ChiefNeo and Darksniper says considered to be hostile and not Dojo worthy but Peter is allowed to call pieces of the conversation bullshit? I thought we were supposed to be talking about this topic without emotion, but Peter is allowed to call it bullshit. Pardon me for asking, but I'm really confused on what the line is?

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Re: Shenmue III Update #67: Developer Room Update 3

Postby Peter » Tue May 30, 2017 6:34 pm

ChiefNeo wrote:
Peter wrote:
darksniper wrote:Still, being attacked for having a different opinion about the game and being told to leave is an act out of emotion and unwarranted. That's great that he's being promoted to moderator, but I still vehemently disagree with his attacks on me, and my love for Shenmue. I won't go any further than that and will not derail the subject at hand. Carry on.



If i crack your kneecaps in public with a baseball bat, thats an attack. If i type messages threatening your family repeatedly on a message board? Attack. Arguing over Yakuza vs Shenmue, and what looks better or should look like on a message forum, well...thats just a sign that you need to take a breath, open a new tab and go pull one off over some porn. Not an attack. Skip the drama fellas.



It's not? The topic is the update. We are discussing the update. Everyone in here is. I was a bit aggressive in my statement and I apologize if it offended anyone, but my sentiment that negative opinions are valid remains and he is incredibly dismissive in his rhetoric. You saying that you are making him a mod because of the "bullshit in this topic" is a bit hypocritical in that light.


I'm not going to get into a petty running around in circles with you. It's quite clear what I said. Go back and read it. Don't go down the road of, "oh well that's what it sounded like", or, "that's what you meant" with me. I said Spaghetti was being made a moderator due to the years of hard work he has put in, not just here, but across various sites promoting Shenmue in a positive light. I also said because he can conduct himself in a coherent manner, and I also said that it was because we needed more help in here because of a lot of bullshit that's been typed. Just so we are clear, definition of bullshit: hyped up posts because of negative emotions at a CHARACTER TEST video for polygon dents, and no Shenmue 3 at E3.

Clear enough? Good. It ends there.

Himuro wrote: Lurking for now, but I have not seen a single piece of this thread have anything remotely worth moderating? Why is what ChiefNeo and Darksniper says considered to be hostile and not Dojo worthy but Peter is allowed to call pieces of the conversation bullshit? I thought we were supposed to be talking about this topic without emotion, but Peter is allowed to call it bullshit. Pardon me for asking, but I'm really confused on what the line is?



Really? After the message you sent me this morning, you think you can lurk back in and mix it up? If you can't remove yourself from the boards like you said you would, I can happily take care of that for you?

I'm going to make this crystal clear one last time:

I made it clear in another topic that there will be zero tolerance towards over emotion during E3 season, and 30 day bans will be issued immediately
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Re: Shenmue III Update #67: Developer Room Update 3

Postby BlackHeaven » Tue May 30, 2017 6:35 pm

Just a random thought: Maybe the model is an enemy with a backers face on it? :D
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Re: Shenmue III Update #67: Developer Room Update 3

Postby ChiefNeo » Tue May 30, 2017 6:43 pm

O Rei do Frango Assado wrote: Yeah... That looks hideous, in my opinion. However, I'll hold my judgement till I see an actual reveal of the game, with its finalized look (and, with the game not being at E3, who knows when that'll be?). As it is, though, I really dislike this character model, both design-wise and graphics-wise. This had better be VERY work-in-progress. For the love of God, I don't want to see Shenmue's characters' aesthetic turning into something like a Blizzard game, or Street Fighter IV. That alone would be enough to make me regret spending almost 200€ funding this game.

I do have hope, however, that, considering the fact that Shenmue has always had realistic-looking characters (yes, somewhat stylized, but still quite realistic, especially for its time) and that the screenshots of Shenmue 3's backgrounds we've seen so far are actually pretty realistic, the game will indeed keep an overall realistic aesthetic (and have some decent graphics for its characters, for Christ's sake! I don't expect Uncharted 4-quality character models, but I don't want to see Shenmue's Guilin populated by plastic action figures of Saturday morning cartoons). It just wouldn't make sense to suddenly forgo its realistic look, especially in Shenmue, which is a continuous saga, so consistency is important.
So, like I said, I'm keeping cool and waiting until they actually show a proper Shenmue 3 trailer, or just anything substantial that looks like a finished game.
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried about the possible cartoony (yes, that's what it is) aesthetic they might be going for the game's characters, though. Sure, I always say that Yu Suzuki knows what he's doing and that this is his baby, so he won't fuck it up with stupid, nonsensical stuff, but I used to say the same thing about Hideo Kojima and look at what he did with MGS V... Middle-age crisis can have quite an effect on some men...

As for the game skipping this E3, well, this makes it almost certain that the game will be delayed. Then again, I always found that December 2017 goal to be unrealistic.
It's a bit of a bummer that we won't see the game at E3, as obviously I'm curious to see just what Shenmue 3 will actually look like as game, since, for all intents and purposes, we still haven't really seen anything, but I can't say I mind a delay, though. In fact, from a more selfish point of view now, I even welcome it, as, by December 2017, I should still be on a several month long backpacking trip and I really wouldn't like knowing that Shenmue 3 was already at my home, waiting for me to play it, while I was travelling, and that I couldn't do it for who knows how many months more.

So, take your time, Suzuki-san! Just, at the end of it all, give us a great game that is true to Shenmue.


I think a big part of it is the lighting. Games these days insist on such strong and realistic lighting, which, under circumstances such as these, make the textures look plastic.

Excellent example is, once again, Wind Waker.

Compare the original:Image

vs the hd version with the new lighting. It's such a simple change but it alters everything. The palette, the feel, and the "texture" of the polygons. Image

If they changed the light that's hitting that model some of the sheen may come off and make it look much better.
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Re: Shenmue III Update #67: Developer Room Update 3

Postby Hazuki00 » Tue May 30, 2017 6:45 pm

BlackHeaven wrote: Just a random thought: Maybe the model is an enemy with a backers face on it? :D

I'm not really sure but I think they didn't asked for backers photos yet...
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Re: Shenmue III Update #67: Developer Room Update 3

Postby ShenSun » Tue May 30, 2017 6:46 pm

Just to clarify my position further, I don't want anyone here to feel like they are being left out in this brief hiccup.

You all must RESPECT each other. I think all parties in the last few pages are at fault.

There will be no belittling of others opinions
No ganging up on individual members
No toxic behavior towards each other. (directly/indirectly)
No Drama, especially every time there is some form of update or no show of Shenmue

This goes for all of us. (regular members, donators, mods, staff, etc)

Im sure most of us can see where Spaghetti and darksniper are coming from. Both views are kool and make for interesting conversation.

Respect each other. We're all grown ups here and at the end of the day, we're all on the same team.

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Re: Shenmue III Update #67: Developer Room Update 3

Postby darksniper » Tue May 30, 2017 6:50 pm

Peter wrote:
ChiefNeo wrote:
Peter wrote:
darksniper wrote:Still, being attacked for having a different opinion about the game and being told to leave is an act out of emotion and unwarranted. That's great that he's being promoted to moderator, but I still vehemently disagree with his attacks on me, and my love for Shenmue. I won't go any further than that and will not derail the subject at hand. Carry on.



If i crack your kneecaps in public with a baseball bat, thats an attack. If i type messages threatening your family repeatedly on a message board? Attack. Arguing over Yakuza vs Shenmue, and what looks better or should look like on a message forum, well...thats just a sign that you need to take a breath, open a new tab and go pull one off over some porn. Not an attack. Skip the drama fellas.



It's not? The topic is the update. We are discussing the update. Everyone in here is. I was a bit aggressive in my statement and I apologize if it offended anyone, but my sentiment that negative opinions are valid remains and he is incredibly dismissive in his rhetoric. You saying that you are making him a mod because of the "bullshit in this topic" is a bit hypocritical in that light.


I'm not going to get into a petty running around in circles with you. It's quite clear what I said. Go back and read it. Don't go down the road of, "oh well that's what it sounded like", or, "that's what you meant" with me. I said Spaghetti was being made a moderator due to the years of hard work he has out in, not just here, but across various sites promoting Shenmue in a positive light. I also said because he can conduct himself in a coherent manner, and I also said that it was because we needed more help in here because of a lot of bullshit that's been typed. Just so we are clear, definition of bullshit: hyped up posts because of negative emotions at a CHARACTER TEST video for polygon dents, and no Shenmue 3 at E3.

Clear enough? Good. It ends there.

Himuro wrote: Lurking for now, but I have not seen a single piece of this thread have anything remotely worth moderating? Why is what ChiefNeo and Darksniper says considered to be hostile and not Dojo worthy but Peter is allowed to call pieces of the conversation bullshit? I thought we were supposed to be talking about this topic without emotion, but Peter is allowed to call it bullshit. Pardon me for asking, but I'm really confused on what the line is?



Really? After the message you sent me this morning, you think you can lurk back in and mix it up? If you can't remove yourself from the boards like you said you would, I can happily take care of that for you?

I'm going to make this crystal clear one last tine:

I made it clear in another topic that there will be zero tolerance towards over emotion during E3 season, and 30 day bans will be issued immediately



We can only go by the material that has been given to us from YS Net. From the beginning the character models of Shenmue III have looked "off". The only reason why I can give you (Peter) the benefit of the doubt of calling the debate over this "bullshit" in your words is because you were fortunate enough to see some things thats the majority of us have not and that will naturally alter your opinion of what we're debating over. Still we're just going off of what we see right now.

I trust your opinion on what you have said about Shenmue III after what Yu Suzuki has shown you. If they were ready to unveil the game last year as originally intended, its clear that some serious work has been done behind the scenes that is consistent with what you've seen and contrasts to what we've been given so far.

Either way, the only thing to do is wait and see and reserve further judgement until then.
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Re: Shenmue III Update #67: Developer Room Update 3

Postby Peter » Tue May 30, 2017 6:59 pm

darksniper wrote:
Peter wrote:
ChiefNeo wrote:
Peter wrote:
darksniper wrote:Still, being attacked for having a different opinion about the game and being told to leave is an act out of emotion and unwarranted. That's great that he's being promoted to moderator, but I still vehemently disagree with his attacks on me, and my love for Shenmue. I won't go any further than that and will not derail the subject at hand. Carry on.



If i crack your kneecaps in public with a baseball bat, thats an attack. If i type messages threatening your family repeatedly on a message board? Attack. Arguing over Yakuza vs Shenmue, and what looks better or should look like on a message forum, well...thats just a sign that you need to take a breath, open a new tab and go pull one off over some porn. Not an attack. Skip the drama fellas.



It's not? The topic is the update. We are discussing the update. Everyone in here is. I was a bit aggressive in my statement and I apologize if it offended anyone, but my sentiment that negative opinions are valid remains and he is incredibly dismissive in his rhetoric. You saying that you are making him a mod because of the "bullshit in this topic" is a bit hypocritical in that light.


I'm not going to get into a petty running around in circles with you. It's quite clear what I said. Go back and read it. Don't go down the road of, "oh well that's what it sounded like", or, "that's what you meant" with me. I said Spaghetti was being made a moderator due to the years of hard work he has out in, not just here, but across various sites promoting Shenmue in a positive light. I also said because he can conduct himself in a coherent manner, and I also said that it was because we needed more help in here because of a lot of bullshit that's been typed. Just so we are clear, definition of bullshit: hyped up posts because of negative emotions at a CHARACTER TEST video for polygon dents, and no Shenmue 3 at E3.

Clear enough? Good. It ends there.

Himuro wrote: Lurking for now, but I have not seen a single piece of this thread have anything remotely worth moderating? Why is what ChiefNeo and Darksniper says considered to be hostile and not Dojo worthy but Peter is allowed to call pieces of the conversation bullshit? I thought we were supposed to be talking about this topic without emotion, but Peter is allowed to call it bullshit. Pardon me for asking, but I'm really confused on what the line is?



Really? After the message you sent me this morning, you think you can lurk back in and mix it up? If you can't remove yourself from the boards like you said you would, I can happily take care of that for you?

I'm going to make this crystal clear one last tine:

I made it clear in another topic that there will be zero tolerance towards over emotion during E3 season, and 30 day bans will be issued immediately



We can only go by the material that has been given to us from YS Net. From the beginning the character models of Shenmue III have looked "off". The only reason why I can give you (Peter) the benefit of the doubt of calling the debate over this "bullshit" in your words is because you were fortunate enough to see some things thats the majority of us have not and that will naturally alter your opinion of what we're debating over. Still we're just going off of what we see right now.

I trust your opinion on what you have said about Shenmue III after what Yu Suzuki has shown you. If they were ready to unveil the game last year as originally intended, its clear that some serious work has been done that is consistent with what you've seen.

Either way, the only thing to do is wait and see and reserve further judgement until then.


Right, but it's not about giving ME the benefit of the doubt. This is what I don't understand at all. All of the poeple in here moaning and complaining, are not giving Yu Suzuki the benefit of the doubt!
And on what basis does this come from? Have you seen the tests of the original Shenmue and compared them to the finished product? No. You are comparing a finished product to one that clearly has marked on the tin, "work in progress". Surely you get that now? All the negativity surrounding this update is essentially unwarranted because it's test material, and far away from the look of the finished product. We are not supposed to see this stuff, and wouldn't if it was a regular game being developed. As someone said before I seen whilst reading, YSNET cannot win here. If they show nothing, they get slated. They show test materials they get slated. How about giving them a break and some praise for the work they are doing instead of going off on one is my point.

Everyone has their own opinions, I just use the basis of the release Shenmue games to base my opinion in a more positive light, because being negative about this will get people nowhere. If anything, based on experience, you will just have egg on your face when the game does turn out to be good, and a far cry from these tech videos we currently get.

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