OL wrote: Suicide Squad, on the other hand... I will admit that, visually, it doesn't look quite as terrible as I was expecting. Action seems cool and all that. But it still ain't winning me over in any other areas. Same complaints as before: Will Smith should not be Deadshot (he can't play anything other than Will Smith. And Deadshot ain't black anyway), Margot Robbie is trying way too hard to come off crazy (she's reminding me of those pathetic kids back in highschool that insist that they aren't right in the head, because dude, insanity is cooool; "I hear voices, teehee!"), and the more I see of Leto's Joker, the less I like it (and I already hated it from the first time I saw it).
Plus, holy shit, they're really working hard to drill in the fact that it's about villains, huh?
The tagline is "Worst Heroes Ever," and twice they felt the need to remind us that they're "bad guys," in those exact words. First the military guy saying "they're bad guys, aren't they?" and then Margot Robbie saying "What? We're the bad guys."
Do they really think audiences are so stupid that they can't catch on if you say it once? Is the final movie going to be this dumbed-down, constantly reminding us of things we already know? It just makes it feel like the movie as a whole is trying too hard to be edgy. Like Kenny said: cringy.
I dunno, I think the only way this movie will manage to win me over is if that fan theory that Leto's Joker isn't the "real" Joker turns out to be true. It's a compelling idea, and it leaves room for a better Joker to eventually emerge. I'm sorry, I just can't see Leto having the necessary presence and weight to go toe-to-toe with Affleck's Batman. It just seems like a total mismatch, especially when this Batman is supposed to be a little older and more grizzled. He should have a Joker with a similarly-older persona, not this "tattooed, trying too hard to be 'street'" bullshit. If it turns out that Leto's Joker is actually a copycat (and a former Robin, no less), I can totally dig it, but otherwise?
Nuh uh.
Well, I really gotta disagree with most of that.
1) The fan theory that Jason became a new Joker would make it better? That theory is stupid as hell, like most fan theories. Fuck that.
2) I also noticed the "we're bad guys" being mentioned twice thingy. That's a little cringy, I'll give you and Kenny that. "Worst heroes ever" is cringy, too, but it's a trailer tagline. These are always cringy and have nothing to do with the movie itself or its creators. Smashing a shopping window to take out some jewels might be a little cringy, too, but that's...
3) ...Harley Quinn. She's one of the most cartoonish and goofy and cringy characters in the Batman universe. So I really won't complain there. She still looks fun to me.
4) I loved Leto's Joker from the beginning, the first image. I dig the look and the more I see of him, the more I'm getting excited for Leto's portrayal. He's a brilliant actor who will absolutely hold his own against Afflek's Batman.
OL wrote:Do they really think audiences are so stupid that they can't catch on if you say it once?
Sorry to break this to you, but audiences are so stupid. :p Especially if you're aiming for an audience as huge as Marvel's, or at least Man of Steel's.
So yeah, I'm really liking what I've seen so far. I like the look of the movie, the character designs, Joker, Deadshot, Harley, Croc, the action, the tone. The DC movie universe shaping up. Like I said, I'm happy.
OL wrote:Wonder Woman is shaping up nicely it seems. I like what I'm seeing. They actually seem to be pulling off one of the most potentially-silly characters possible in a way that's believable and compelling.
Agreed. But in regards to pulling it off I gotta say I'm not surprised at all. All they had to do was to copy Captain America: The First Avenger and sprinkle a good dose of Thor on top. Or the other way round.