There Is No Reason For Panic (Yet)

[MiTT3NZ]

That's debatable.

[Himuro]

All I see is people saying that Mittenz should stop discussing what he want to discuss so he kinda has a point. The rest can just ignore his posts if they're tired of reading them. The dojo even has a feature that allows you to hide all the posts of members you don't like.

He can discuss what he wants. We all have. But this was a different topic for that, that he had no place venting his crap into. It's just one bloody thread out of many.

"he can discuss what he wants just not here because it bothers me" You could grow some thicker skin perhaps?

It's a public forum m8. Ironic that it's someone with Stalin as his profile pic telling you this.

Not really sure where he said his positivity is oppressive, I read it more as that people should be able to voice their "negative" opinions if they want to.

I think he's being overly defensive and offended by the thread title. It isn't saying people can't express their "negativity", it's just that the thread poster thought there's no reason to worry. He really shouldn't have used the word "negative" to be fair. "No need to worry about Shenmue III" would be a helluva lot less divisive.

But what you previously said proves his point though.

It doesn't prove his point. I myself have been called "negative" recently on this forum for expressing similar concerns and worries. However, there's a place and time for everything. If someone made a thread about Lan Di and turned it into a thread about something else entirely, I'd have a problem with it. It has nothing to do with needing "thicker skin" and more to do with Mittenz propensity to have the urge to throw some cynicism in every single thread he touches, even when it's not even necessary. Did he really need to throw it in here too? So nowhere on the Dojo is there a place where we could just discuss this positively, without Mittenz or even me shitting it up?

How is it something else entirely when the title of the thread is "there is no reason for negativity". Seems pretty on topic to me, Mittz saw a thread telling people that there is no reason to be negative and felt the need to discuss that people should still be able to share their opinions wherever negative or not which makes perfect sense to me. It's not like he started a Yakuza thread in the shenmue 2 forums.

And yeah you telling him that his negative opinions shouldn't be discussed in this positive thread kinda does prove his point.

The problem isn't him placing his "negative" opinions - and they aren't even negative! - in the thread, it's that they he does so with such passion and veracity that he doesn't let a single sample of the alternative viewpoints influence him. It's like he does it just to find a problem with something, rather than doing it because he has legitimate concern. As has been said multiple times in this thread, no one minds constructive criticism. Mitz's criticism - in this thread - has been the opposite of constructive.

Considering that around the entire Shenmue Dojo forum, I have found Mittenz to have a problem with something just to have a problem with it, it's really not an isolated incident. I feel that often he tries to steer conversations in ways he wants them rather than actually contributing to the conversation.

[Bambi]

I haven't seen this much ad hominem in a long time. If you don't agree with someone then surely address them on an issue by issue basis. Instead of something as subjective as how the other person "feels" to you.

[Himuro]

The problem isn't the issues, because he has points on the issues. The problem is his demeanor. Search his post history and see how much he says something like,"I have a problem with..." what do you NOT have a problem with, Mitz?

[MiTT3NZ]

First post I made was how everyone can post their own opinions, be they positive, negative or neutral. Clearly I'm too one track minded and need to accept the fact that only positive opinions are welcome in this particular topic.

Has anyone got a relevant facepalm pic they can post for me?

[MiTT3NZ]

Ah, well that's where my laziness comes into it. If someone makes a point, one that I personally share, I often feel no need to make a similar post, as I'll have nothing new to contribute to the conversation, and will therefore "like" it instead.

On the other hand, if I have an objection, one that no one else had made, I'm the one who makes it. However, whilst most people eventually give up because it's like bangin their head against a brick wall, I just keep on bangin til I break the wall down.

[Himuro]

Again, I agree with that. However, this thread was not about people posting negative opinions, and Sandfish REALLY shouldn't have parsed the thread in that manner. However, can you pinpoint me to a point in Sandfish's opening post where he said neutral or negative opinions are not welcome? I can't. So I'm going to assume your main issue with the thread is the title, which was - agreed- ill made, but nothing about it screamed "don't have a negative or neutral opinion". It was mostly about assuaging the nervousness and uncertainty of the kickstarter's potential forecast, not actual negative opinions and concerns. Right from the beginning, the conversation was one way. You decided to go the other way.

[Bambi]

The problem is his demeanor.

Far too vague and subjective.

Search his post history

Search yours.

IMO, it just comes down to you having something else to bitch about.

[Raithos]

Off topic, but nice avatar Bambi!

[Himuro]

Ah, well that's where my laziness comes into it. If someone makes a point, one that I personally share, I often feel no need to make a similar post, as I'll have nothing new to contribute to the conversation, and will therefore "like" it instead.

On the other hand, if I have an objection, one that no one else had made, I'm the one who makes it. However, whilst most people eventually give up because it's like bangin their head against a brick wall, I just keep on bangin til I break the wall down.

Ah, so that's why you come off that way. Considering the way you make very good points about things you disagree with, I'd love to see ways you can expound upon things you DO agree with. Balance.

[Henry Spencer]

I don't think this topic is going in a very nice direction, guys (not directing this at anyone in particular). Let's loosen up a bit, alright?

[Himuro]

The problem is his demeanor.

Far too vague and subjective.

Search his post history

Search yours.

IMO, it just comes down to you having something else to bitch about.

Got me there, mate. Cheers.

[MiTT3NZ]

I do, they're just usually on a more one-to-one basis (or two, three, four... more private, closed discussions)

As for the initial post, I was merely saying that negativity and neutrality should be welcome alongside positive posts, and that Shenmue fans have a frustrating history of being against this notion.

[Himuro]

That much is true about some Shenmue fans historically being positive to the point of naivete. But I never thought it was ever really enforced in our community. Even Yama was on the brink of giving up and merging the forum with BioHaze.

[sand4fish]

Okay guys... this is definitely not the direction I was thinking of, so this is ALL MY FAULT.

Just poor choice of words. Hope it sounds better now.