Shenmue 3 & E3 2017 - UPDATE - Confirmed will NOT be at E3

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Re: Shenmue 3 & E3 2017

Postby Spaghetti » Sat May 27, 2017 12:09 pm

mrandyk wrote:The lack of content shown is certainly a reason to believe this game isn't coming out in 6-7 months.

I don't think this is a solid argument when we know for a fact that far more work has been done than shown on Kickstarter. YSnet have their reasons for not showing it yet, but don't take that to mean they're struggling to get things done.

Obviously this isn't a guarantee they'll make December. Just a reminder that not seeing game content yet is kind of irrelevant in the wider context.

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Re: Shenmue 3 & E3 2017

Postby ShenmueForeseen » Sat May 27, 2017 12:32 pm

Ever since the Windows 10 update some days ago Demul runs like garbage, huge sound distortion. There goes my Shenmue 1 playthrough at the start of disk 3. :(
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Re: Shenmue 3 & E3 2017

Postby Lan Di-sama » Sat May 27, 2017 1:48 pm

I think a no-show at e3 might be cause for some concern, unless they address it in this month's update. At best, it would mean a delay is likely - at worst, they could be struggling to get things to where they need to be. It isn't easy making a masterpiece and my worry is that Shenmue 3 will not hold a candle to its predecessors. There's still a lot of work they need to do in regards to the Kickstarter rewards as well.

However, a no-show would totally be mitigated by a Shenmue I and II HD reveal. It seems imminent, the time is right, and it's the only course of action since the very beginning that makes sense. I know I can dig out my Dreamcast at any time, but the idea of playing a polished re-release on my PS4 (which I bought primarily for Shenmue 3) is exciting, and would really hype me up for the sequel. Really hoping for some footage in the May or June update (or, obviously, an e3 showing) to reassure the fans all is going well.

On a side note, I had a weird dream the other night that Shenmue 3, due to development woes, ended up being a stripped-down, first person point-and-click adventure game released just to tell the story. Eek

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Re: Shenmue 3 & E3 2017

Postby khmlight3 » Sat May 27, 2017 2:20 pm

YS Net said development for Shenmue III is still going well!

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Re: Shenmue 3 & E3 2017

Postby mrandyk » Sat May 27, 2017 3:52 pm

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mrandyk wrote:The lack of content shown is certainly a reason to believe this game isn't coming out in 6-7 months.

I don't think this is a solid argument when we know for a fact that far more work has been done than shown on Kickstarter. YSnet have their reasons for not showing it yet, but don't take that to mean they're struggling to get things done.

Obviously this isn't a guarantee they'll make December. Just a reminder that not seeing game content yet is kind of irrelevant in the wider context.

I agree that we haven't seen everything, but with the lack of revealed content it can be inferred that the game still isn't refined enough for the public eye. If it isn't ready for the public eye 6 months before the December deadline then a December release seems incredibly unlikely.

How far do you believe we have to get into 2017 (without gameplay footage) before a delay can be safely assumed? I do not anticipate Shenmue 3 at E3, and I believe that a no-show is a near guarantee that December 2017 is out of the question.
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Re: Shenmue 3 & E3 2017

Postby Sappharad » Sat May 27, 2017 5:17 pm

Lan Di-sama wrote:On a side note, I had a weird dream the other night that Shenmue 3, due to development woes, ended up being a stripped-down, first person point-and-click adventure game released just to tell the story. Eek

I had a dream this past week that I was being chased through a parking lot by a small octopus.

Anyway, if their plan is to ship in December, (Kickstarter estimates are for delivery) then they have less than 4 months to finish if they want to deliver on time since major titles typically get released to manufacturing 2 months in advance. Unless they've already scheduled time for the voice actors to come in and do the dub, it's not making 2017. They can't just bring in voice actors that don't live locally with 1 week notice, they'd schedule it in advance and spread it over multiple sessions potentially lasting weeks depending on how much VO there's going to be this time around.

It could be that they plan to finish in December and not ship until early 2018, and I guess that would somewhat equate to no delay if the backer trial that they promised was delivered in December.

We get this month's update next week, and Sony's E3 presentation is in just over 2 weeks. If it's not clear what's going on after that, well, that will be disappointing.
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Re: Shenmue 3 & E3 2017

Postby Spaghetti » Sat May 27, 2017 5:18 pm

mrandyk wrote:I agree that we haven't seen everything, but with the lack of revealed content it can be inferred that the game still isn't refined enough for the public eye. If it isn't ready for the public eye 6 months before the December deadline then a December release seems incredibly unlikely.

How far do you believe we have to get into 2017 (without gameplay footage) before a delay can be safely assumed? I do not anticipate Shenmue 3 at E3, and I believe that a no-show is a near guarantee that December 2017 is out of the question.

I would actually agree with you that if it doesn't show at E3 the likelihood of the game releasing in 2017 plummets to beyond zero, but being ready for the public eye and a snapshot of a game's development are very different things.

I use this example a lot, but Final Fantasy 15 says it all. Debuts at E3 2013 with a very advanced looking trailer, but doesn't actually come out until December 2016, even despite having a demo released in March 2015. People familiar with this game's content and how they're basically developing it on the fly via patches will be more than happy to tell you they probably should have spent less time making trailers and demos for conferences, and more time actually figuring out what they wanted the game to be.

We're probably closer to a reveal than you think, but because YSnet clearly has designs on doing it in a big way at a games press event, every time they have to kick that can down the road - it gets deferred by half a year due to the timing of shows like E3 and PSX. It was pushed back last PSX. Will it be pushed back again? Who knows. We'll know in a matter of weeks now.
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Re: Shenmue 3 & E3 2017

Postby Sappharad » Sat May 27, 2017 5:23 pm

Spaghetti wrote:It was pushed back last PSX.

It was NOT pushed back last PSX. Gio Corsi told me that they never planned to show it or had even discussed showing it with them.
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Re: Shenmue 3 & E3 2017

Postby Spaghetti » Sat May 27, 2017 5:37 pm

Sappharad wrote:It was NOT pushed back last PSX. Gio Corsi told me that they never planned to show it or had even discussed showing it with them.

That's not the word from the Japan dinner, where it was said explicitly or near-explicitly by the developers that they were aiming for PSX (this is the first hand information we've been told on here publicly by people like Peter, so I obviously cannot personally verify even if I do believe it to be true).

And as I've said before, these statements do not contradict each other. YSnet could have had PSX plans and killed them before they even spoke a word of them to Sony.

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Re: Shenmue 3 & E3 2017

Postby Valascaziel » Sat May 27, 2017 9:31 pm

Always nice to see the original Shenmue on Dreamcast listed as a "Best Seller" on Amazon in 2017, long after the Kickstarter fervor ended. The interest is truly real..lets hope Sega makes the move in the coming weeks on those HDs.
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Re: Shenmue 3 & E3 2017

Postby shredingskin » Sat May 27, 2017 10:53 pm

FUck it's the first time I watch the giantbomb e3 coverage, what a fat piece of shit.

Really, you can see 3 guys are actually exited about it and brings down the mood for everyone, and the guy just keep shitting on it.

This year Shenmue is gonna rock it hard.
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Re: Shenmue 3 & E3 2017

Postby Spaghetti » Sun May 28, 2017 12:17 am

I don't wanna start throwing personal insults at him for differing opinions, but I'm totally not surprised Gerstmann reacted like he did given the old history with Shenmue when he worked at Gamespot.

I do think Giant Bomb can be suffocatingly negative though, and it always seems to reach its nadir during press conference season. Their E3 2015 stream was awful for me (not because of Shenmue reactions, I expected that), because this was the first E3 with GB for two of their usually high-energy new hires and Jeff just sucked the fucking life out of the room throughout.

They're the perfect example of people who have their hobby turned into a job, and react accordingly. E3 is basically gamer Christmas, and I'd rather not spend it with people who treat it just like a particularly grueling work day.

Actually, for the first time in over five years I'm not going to tune in to any of their E3 coverage because of this. I've even been weaning myself off their podcast(s) after they spent 30 minutes bitching about stuff they didn't like in a game they all agreed they loved at the top and tail of the conversation.

This is coming from someone who was a paid subscriber to their site for like two years too. The Dojo's E3 stream is the only one I'm going to watch that isn't just a direct feed of the event with no commentary. Game punditry can get fucked.
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Re: Shenmue 3 & E3 2017

Postby south carmain » Sun May 28, 2017 12:50 am

I'll be watching the easy allies stream if they're doing one. Can't miss Huber's reaction if there is a shenmue 3 trailer shown.

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Re: Shenmue 3 & E3 2017

Postby Let's Get Sweaty » Sun May 28, 2017 3:18 am

Valascaziel wrote:Always nice to see the original Shenmue on Dreamcast listed as a "Best Seller" on Amazon in 2017


Is there a page you can link me to that shows this?
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Re: Shenmue 3 & E3 2017

Postby KidMarine » Sun May 28, 2017 5:57 am

Spaghetti wrote: I don't wanna start throwing personal insults at him for differing opinions, but I'm totally not surprised Gerstmann reacted like he did given the old history with Shenmue when he worked at Gamespot.

I do think Giant Bomb can be suffocatingly negative though, and it always seems to reach its nadir during press conference season. Their E3 2015 stream was awful for me (not because of Shenmue reactions, I expected that), because this was the first E3 with GB for two of their usually high-energy new hires and Jeff just sucked the fucking life out of the room throughout.

They're the perfect example of people who have their hobby turned into a job, and react accordingly. E3 is basically gamer Christmas, and I'd rather not spend it with people who treat it just like a particularly grueling work day.

Actually, for the first time in over five years I'm not going to tune in to any of their E3 coverage because of this. I've even been weaning myself off their podcast(s) after they spent 30 minutes bitching about stuff they didn't like in a game they all agreed they loved at the top and tail of the conversation.

This is coming from someone who was a paid subscriber to their site for like two years too. The Dojo's E3 stream is the only one I'm going to watch that isn't just a direct feed of the event with no commentary. Game punditry can get fucked.

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