I hope they don't mess with other important "characters faces",

Including this beauty.

Ugh, if someone tells you to play Sleeping Dogs over just about anything else, go ahead and break their nose. I could barely play more than two or three hours into it because the driving is so goddamn piss-poor.
Even the driving in Yakuza 5 was better than that, and it was little more than a goofy minigame.
But yeah, the sheer Japanese-ness of the Yakuza series is precisely its greatest strength. It's one of the few series from a major publisher that we regularly get localized that clearly isn't made with a worldwide release in mind. Pretty sure I've even read Nagoshi say before that the games are made specifically with a Japanese audience in mind, and the west doesn't even enter the equation during development. Things like that totally show through in the finished product, and I don't ever want them to change the series on account of "the rest of the world."
That being said, I will agree that the series as a whole is feeling a little long in the tooth by this point, but I wouldn't call that out as a reason for them to overhaul anything. It's just a personal mood thing. I haven't played the series in a couple years now, I think, outside of the first hour of Zero. The craving for it will probably hit again, I just have to let it. Til then, I'll still buy them as they come out, just so they're there when I need them.

I still maintain that Yu Suzuki knows what he is doing with this. The guy is smart. He is well aware that he has released a teaser with no facial animation and some rigid body animation.

I'm of the opinion that the next teaser, or the one soon after that, will show great facial animation. Alternatively the official trailer will. What better way to drum up anticipation than to get people bitching about Shenmue on Neogaf/social media and other places online. The video has 270k views already thanks to Sony releasing it on YouTube. Lots of people are undeniably laughing at Shenmue right now, and I'm incredibly happy about that.

When the devs finally drops a clip showing great animation, everybody who bitched and moaned and laughed at Shenmue is going to be shocked, and Shenmue will stick in their minds more than it would have otherwise. They may at that point even decide to pick up a copy. Whereas if this teaser had just been the same environments but with solid animation many people may very well have thought 'meh, some boring Japanese looking game' and they would immediately forget about it. But now Shenmue has people talking. There's no such thing as bad publicity in the long-term here.

I may be wrong, but I believe in Yu Suzuki.

Although everything in this new "update" tells us backers to lower our expectation even more
No.
it took almost two years to make "acceptable" models of the two main characters
No.
facial expressions and animations are not done yet,
No.
we now have fewer characters than what's been initially announced
No.
the new fighting system will be puzzle-based and more aimed towards causal players so we can kiss anything close to the decent fighting system of Shenmue and Shenmue II goodbye,
No.
and finally another delay is highly expected.
No.

I'm struggling to find a statement in your post that even resembles reality. Maybe that it won't look like a AAA blockbuster? (No shit). It's beyond me how you've been unbanned. You're either a troll or nuts.

How about next time you write why you disagree with someone. Or do you enjoy looking like a baboon? All technophilz's comments were reasonable assumptions.

Although everything in this new "update" tells us backers to lower our expectation even more, the dreamy people (as usual) are excited and happy with that ....

In short, what we've just been told is : graphics won't be comparable to AAA titles, it took almost two years to make "acceptable" models of the two main characters, facial expressions and animations are not done yet, we now have fewer characters than what's been initially announced, the new fighting system will be puzzle-based and more aimed towards causal players so we can kiss anything close to the decent fighting system of Shenmue and Shenmue II goodbye, and finally another delay is highly expected.

btw, can someone remind whoever subtitled the video that we're still in 2017 ?

https://i.imgur.com/82MLCiU.png

it took almost two years to make "acceptable" models of the two main characters
No.
https://i.imgur.com/wA6BCYT.png
facial expressions and animations are not done yet,
No.
https://i.imgur.com/aU5uvwg.png
we now have fewer characters than what's been initially announced
No.
https://i.imgur.com/KcaxwNI.png
the new fighting system will be puzzle-based and more aimed towards causal players so we can kiss anything close to the decent fighting system of Shenmue and Shenmue II goodbye,
No.
https://i.imgur.com/WI2SBFl.png
and finally another delay is highly expected.
No.
https://i.imgur.com/hfAKxEl.png

I'm struggling to find a statement in your post that even resembles reality. Maybe that it won't look like a AAA blockbuster? (No shit). It's beyond me how you've been unbanned. You're either a troll or nuts.

Feel free to disagree with everything I say, but this is my own opinion and everyone's entitled to have one.

Could still be delayed though..

No, it's because Ys Net take a while to reply back. Unfortunately, that's why it's taking so long but can't blame them since they're busy with development. Will keep everyone posted!

That's unfortunate. If only someone could hand to you Yu's personal phone number... I'm sure only good things could come out of it. Too bad... Back to tweet millionaires I guess.

It's great we're letting some guy who's making us all look like idiots and now harassing Yu Suzuki still post here.

Get some sense back in here please, even if may require to remain silent.

*Kenshin Himura* wrote: Isn't Shemue Legend and shmoozip the same person both have serious issues.

Nope. Both are treading on very thin ice though.

Have a 7 day time out. When you come back, try to be less annoying.

Why's it become such a seemingly negative thing to raise genuine concerns about a franchise you want to succeed? I waited my entire life for a Batman/Superman film and was pretty happy to debate why I reckon it's great with those who thought it was a trainwreck. I don't seem to recall telling anyone to shut up about it.

There seems to be some growing mentality amongst Shenmue fans that we should shut our eyes and ears to anything bad and just repeat the mantra of "la la la, not listening, it's gonna be great, they know what they're doin, waited ages for it, just be grateful, la la la!"

Can you imagine if it doesn't end up being good? If it's poorly received by both the public and media? Who's gonna buy it? We've already got copies reserved. Where are they gonna make the money needed for the follow-up? It's simply not a case of "anything will do". Yeah, we waited fifteen years for this. So it better be fuckin worth the wait. And the money.

As for Spaghetti, how are you not getting this? Why does any studio show something off? No, why does anyone show anything off? Honestly, just think about it. Maybe English isn't your first language, in that case it'd be slightly more understandable, but c'mon... showing off concept art is promotional material. "Checking in" on Facebook to a hotel in an area where there's a relevant event: promotional material. Appearing on a chat show. That's promotional. A video, work in progress or not, is promotional.

This can be reported on YouTube as spam and misleading content.

If you watch the video to the end you will see it is a humorous video. Its a well put together, shenmue influenced fan made video... don't be so uptight. I thought Shenmue fans would like the in game joke at the end.
You don't understand. The title and thumbnail appear as an official video. But it isn't. That is misleading content. It doesn't matter if there's a reveal at the end. You still wasted the viewer's time if they didnt know it was fan made.

Bloody hell I had March 20th booked off work for that reason. Atleast they're releasing a demo, I don't believe that's been done since Yakuza 4?

mjq jazz bar wrote: No. It wasn't even being made for the Dreamcast as far as I'm aware.

There are video models of Sun Niao so it was being made on Dreamcast to some extent.

Is it? I guess if there's already a discussion thread on the go by the time the news is posted then that would make sense, and there'd be a link within the news post to that thread. But I can't see that being the case if it's the first and only thread on the subject.

Anyway, I was mainly pointing to it for anyone who hadn't read the interview and would therefore want to know the context behind darksniper's comment.

Now fix that crappy S3 logo, Yu!

I did say if Shenmue HD gets announced, i'd run through the street naked. Off i go...........

I'm sorry, but personally I think the handwritten logo is awful. I feel bad saying that especially since it was created by Yu-san himself, but the cursive one is so much more aesthetically pleasing. I feel that it is important to keep things consistent especially now that Shenmue I&II is using a form of the original logo. I think it's kind of bogus that they decided to change it from the papyrus one to the cursive version in June 2017 because of the fan response and then just randomly change their minds all of sudden. I hope that this will be reconsidered sometime before the final release.

I am glad that we'll finally get to play Shenmue I & II on modern hardware. The released teaser made me a bit concerned about the quality of those ports though.
The most outdated aspect of Shenmue & Shenmue II imho is their clunky controls, which will be improved in the new ports. I wish they could've remade the two games with more improvements instead of simply porting them with minor visual and control tweaks, but again I'll take it as it is .. at least I won't be annoyed by the very noisy Dreamcast lens while playing them anymore.

I generally do take days off for new game releases. Incidentally, I have this Tuesday off for Yakuza 6..

d3t. Now I know why the remaster has errors like wrong eye movement and aspect ratio. Somebody needs to reach out them and explain a few things they're doing improperly before the console versions are baked.

I'm pretty much done with your toxicity and constant negative attitude. This is your last..... Last warning. It's not 2012 anymore, and the toxic place this once was, isn't what it's like anymore. Not as long as I own it. Change the attitude or find another site to visit.

I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to it being improved upon, but like Kiba and I mentioned in another thread, the compressed audio actually contributed pretty well to the atmosphere back when we first played the games. They are, after all, based in the 80s and take place across Asia; the compressed audio mimics the feel of an old 70s/80s karate/kung fu dub.
Much like putting intentional film grain into something to make it feel older, the compressed audio helps to plant you firmly in the 80s. Decompressing the audio wouldn't kill the games or anything, but it would detract a bit from the Shenmue I know and love. As it is, nothing else in gaming really sounds like Shenmue; you can hear an uncredited voice clip from it elsewhere and know immediately that, yes, that's Shenmue. I personally kind of like that it's so identifiable that way, and "improving" the audio would only serve to remove that aspect.

Right after a Shenmue 3 trailer at E3. The physicals will follow.

I think shenmue has always a very distinct look. Shenmue 1 is very urban and gives off a realistic street vibe that we all can relate to. It's what drew me to the game initially. Shenmue 2 is very colorful and features a wide range of environments ranging from rural to street etc.

I think the real beauty of this series is that you can actually experience Japanese and Chinese culture through a video game. That's insane when you think about it.

I'm about to experience Shenmue 1 for the first time ever, and later on in a few months, Shemue 2.

I know every now and then we get rumors or speculation, or even teased by Sega. But in all honesty, do you ever think we will see Shenmue 3.
https://i.imgur.com/dLfPsSw.png?1

Shenmue III was announced almost three years ago.

I'm looking forward to sharing the part in Shenmue II where Ryo and Shenhua are traveling together through Guilin with my 6 year old daughter. I've shown her videos of some parts of that sequence and she's really interested in Shenhua. It also seems to be her main wish to talk to the characters when I've shared other games with her... usually older games, like Ecco the Dolphin - but of course the conversations in those games are usually limited to one or two sentences. Chatting with Shenhua at length and seeing the fireflies and the color-changing river will probably delight her.

Maybe getting a little ahead of yourself with the "Shenmue IV being developed concurrently alongside III talk"...

We're a long way from how bad things used to be for the series, but we're not out of the woods yet.

Spaghetti wrote:All we know right now for sure is that Deep Silver will be at E3, but of course we know they've got other games on their slate beneath Shenmue.

Fixed.

Ryo can now use the toilet.

First you complain that the game doesn't look good enough for you, then you complain that they're taking more time to improve it.

Absolutely impossible to please. You cannot have it both ways.

Yup, and it's really hard to outperform them..
Right, you've said your piece and succeeded in convincing me with your contradictions that the only reason you post here is to deliberately wind people up.

You cannot complain that the project is not of a high enough quality for your liking and then complain when they take extra time to address the concerns. We're not going to play along with your game. It will not be tolerated here.

I'm going to administer a 30 day suspension and by the time it's over I hope you will have dropped the act and not continue to play us as fools.

That 30 day suspension should begin once any major Shenmue news drops. Or else it would be pointless as he's not going to post within that 30 day period anyway.

:lol: That's true! The dude literally only shows up on the day of an update to moan and then we don't see him again until the next update. He contributes nothing to the forum the entire rest of the time.

Whatever happens happens. If news drops and he decides to ignore the warning then further action will be taken as required.

Lakshya was brought in to help with the expanded scope in NPCs and characters. I seem to recall a small snippet where the development team has increased.

It could be larger than we think now.

The Shenmue 3 Lakysha team consists of approximately 30 game artists, namely 3D character art. In Japan I would estimate another 50-55 staff comprised primarily from YSNEt and Neilo staff, as well as various local contractors. This would would bring the team size to approximately 80-85 members, far smaller than the 175 member Shenmue 2 team, but still very capable at that. As an example, the highly acclaimed Shadow of the Colossus PS4 remake was achieved by a team of 80 staff spread between Bluepoint Studios and SIE Japan Studio.

As far quality is concerned, my sense from Yu Suzuki based on past interviews is that Shenmue 3 will be his most personal and intimate game in the series. I believe that we are in for something quite special.

I was kind of hoping for something more along the lines of the modern Yakuza aesthetic, but w/e I guess. I trust that Suzuki knows what he's doing.

Why can't they just make him look like this?

Maybe so. But 30 million+ going into Shenmue III is better than I could've imagined. 5 years ago I would've thought that would be impossible. The fact that we're even having this discussion right now is a testament to how far we've come.

Not sure of the exact numbers right now, but through crowdfunding Shenmue III earned about 6-8 million. If DS adds about another 12, Shenmue III would be at a modest 20 million dollar budget. Which again is more than I could've ever wished for given the circumstances.

Given Yu Suzuki's track history, I'm excited and confident that a modest bump in the budget is exactly what he needed to deliver the Shenmue III not to our standards, but his own. At this moment we still have no idea what the real Shenmue III really looks like so there's a lot more to look forward to.

Right now Shenmue is in a great place and I'm more optimistic than ever. I'm happy knowing that YS is at work and whatever happens, happens.
All I'm saying is to not let your expectations rise too high. We're definitely in a better position than if Ys Net had stuck with their KS/Shibuya money, but at the end of the day the game was always going to be made modestly.

It's funny that people are always comparing the Yakuza series to Shenmue, and now the voice actor for Shenhua is named Haruka.

A bit, yes. In a perfect world the Yakuza team would drop by YS net studios and do all the 3D model work for free.

I agree that a Shenmue III showing doesn't exactly need Yu, but he's effectively the face of the project and the person most of the press would be interested in talking to (for both Shenmue III reasons and for his legacy). If there's going to be a showing of any substance at all, press interviews would be on the cards too, and that will likely be centred around Yu.

He might be accompanied by Harry Morishita, one of the producers, but I don't really expect Yu to bring like... programmers with him. Even when he does trips to Monaco, Cologne, wherever - the development is still ongoing at the studio and those programmers are probably going to be needed. Yu can at least delegate some work to Keiji Okayasu, although I have a sneaking suspicion Yu still gets work done even on the business trips.

Are you a PMP? You use a lot of project management parlance.
I'm a P-I-M-P 8)

Sorry, no. Since Shenmue III went into development I've gotten really interested in how game development works in general, and a lot of project management terms came with that. Some of that was spurred by Yu himself talking about using Agile, which added a lot of context to what we've been seeing in the iterative approach.

Hi ShenmueHeart, sorry to derail your thread but I noticed that you're an alt account of RunningBear. We've had issues with alt accounts in the past and as you seem to be active on both accounts, I'd like you to pick which of the two you want to continue using (the other one will be closed down).

Once this is resolved then feel free to get back to discussing the matter in the OP.